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evil_C wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:52 am I should add that I’m actually a cat lover and would never harm a cat.
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Six month wait for the Etna??? I guess they are mostly special order so that explains the wait.
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I was very fortunate to have a cartridge demo day at Cymbiosis last year that included the Lyra Etna Lambda SL and Linn Ekstatki - plus several others. The Etna was my favourite. I may never be able to stretch to one, but it is a fabulous cartridge
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vincent wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:43 am After a wait of more than six months, my Etna has finally landed.

Straight out of the box, the improvement on the already very good Kleos SL is obvious. Early days, but I would sum up the relative superiority in terms of increased authority and weight, combined with a more natural, subtle and refined presentation – with greater insight into the music (Suzanne Vega's 'Solitude Standing' sounding more emotionally engaging than ever): in short, more of everything associated with the Lyra sound.

Thanks to John @ Audio-T in Brighton for his expertise and work in fitting the cartridge and servicing the deck.

More to follow as the cartridge beds in :)


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How is your Etna these days?

I only ask as I suspect that I may have to replace my Linn Kandid sometime this year and I am obviously interested in Linn's Ekstatik.

When I had a brief listen to an Ekstatik last year I felt that it was not quite for me, but in fairness I would need a home loan in my system, which The Sound Organisation would do, before making any decision and purchase.

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The Japanese build Lyra for LP12 ist the Kandid and the Swiss made EMT for LP12 is the Ekstatik. I have them both on different LP12s and cannot say that one is superior. They are different, the Kandid way more musical and the Ekstatik way more analytical. I love them both.
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OpenAirFan wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:12 pm The Japanese build Lyra for LP12 ist the Kandid and the Swiss made EMT for LP12 is the Ekstatik. I have them both on different LP12s and cannot say that one is superior. They are different, the Kandid way more musical and the Ekstatik way more analytical. I love them both.

That is my concern that the Ekstatik may be, for me, a bit too much on the 'analytical' side. Of course, the only real way to find out is to have a home loan.

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Hmmm, interestingly I find the Kandid more analytical and the Ekstatik groovier and more musical. But yes, the Ekstatik reveals lots more details too.
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‘Groovier’ is good in my books😁
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‘Groovier’ is good in my books😁
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I wonder if the perceived differences are down to the use of non-Linn components in the chain? I’m not criticising anyone’s choices or hearing, I just find it interesting that @vincent uses a Tigerpaw plinth, @FangfossFlyer uses Naim phono stage and amps and @OpenAirFan uses Nagra as far as I can see. Also, @Red Chris mentioned a comparison at Cymbiosis where he preferred the Lyra Etna too. Was a mix of manufacturers used in that demo?

I have a full Linn system and much prefer the Exstatik over the Kandid, so much so that I wouldn’t like to go back to one.

Just a thought.

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Dave,

An interesting observation.

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Moomintroll wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm I wonder if the perceived differences are down to the use of non-Linn components in the chain? I’m not criticising anyone’s choices or hearing, I just find it interesting that @vincent uses a Tigerpaw plinth, @FangfossFlyer uses Naim phono stage and amps and @OpenAirFan uses Nagra as far as I can see. Also, @Red Chris mentioned a comparison at Cymbiosis where he preferred the Lyra Etna too. Was a mix of manufacturers used in that demo?

I have a full Linn system and much prefer the Exstatik over the Kandid, so much so that I wouldn’t like to go back to one.

Just a thought.

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All of the things you mention Dave must be relevant to some degree or other as they are all real differences. I myself prefer the Lyra Atlas cart to anything Linn has to offer but I also have a Tangerine Karman top plate on my Klimax LP12.

Above all else, there is also the inventible differences in what people perceive they hear. I remember a few years ago at a Kabin get together when we were listening to some different versions of Sgt Peppers on a top flight LP12 playing through a Naim stack into Linn Isobariks. Opinions varied into which LP version we enjoyed the most. So despite us all listening to same Lp's on the same kit at the same time there was no agreement on which recorded version sounded 'best'.

In other words, we all have decide for ourselves what we like best. It can always be interesting to read about what others have found they enjoy but it's not a blanket substitution for hearing for ones self. You may find you agree with them, but equally, you may also find that you don't ....... :smt023
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If taste or hearing perception were objective facts, then there would be no need for this forum. We can only try to objectively name and evaluate existing differences or even faults. We then make the final decision highly subjectively based on our experiences and preferences. And that is the exciting thing about our hobby, that there can never be an end point to this journey.
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Wenge1 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:01 amIn other words, we all have decide for ourselves what we like best. It can always be interesting to read about what others have found they enjoy but it's not a blanket substitution for hearing for ones self. You may find you agree with them, but equally, you may also find that you don't ....... :smt023
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Wenge1 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:01 am
Moomintroll wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm I wonder if the perceived differences are down to the use of non-Linn components in the chain? I’m not criticising anyone’s choices or hearing, I just find it interesting that @vincent uses a Tigerpaw plinth, @FangfossFlyer uses Naim phono stage and amps and @OpenAirFan uses Nagra as far as I can see. Also, @Red Chris mentioned a comparison at Cymbiosis where he preferred the Lyra Etna too. Was a mix of manufacturers used in that demo?

I have a full Linn system and much prefer the Exstatik over the Kandid, so much so that I wouldn’t like to go back to one.

Just a thought.

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All of the things you mention Dave must be relevant to some degree or other as they are all real differences. I myself prefer the Lyra Atlas cart to anything Linn has to offer but I also have a Tangerine Karman top plate on my Klimax LP12.

Above all else, there is also the inventible differences in what people perceive they hear. I remember a few years ago at a Kabin get together when we were listening to some different versions of Sgt Peppers on a top flight LP12 playing through a Naim stack into Linn Isobariks. Opinions varied into which LP version we enjoyed the most. So despite us all listening to same Lp's on the same kit at the same time there was no agreement on which recorded version sounded 'best'.

In other words, we all have decide for ourselves what we like best. It can always be interesting to read about what others have found they enjoy but it's not a blanket substitution for hearing for ones self. You may find you agree with them, but equally, you may also find that you don't ....... :smt023
It’s good that we all hear things differently and have different tastes. Otherwise even those of us with taste might like rap :smt005
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I had the opportunity to hear the Kandid against the Ekstatik. Only the arm was replaced with the pickups installed. The difference was so big that I ordered the Ekstatik immediately. The Kandid was well-rehearsed, but the Ekstatik only had around 40 hours of playing time. Nevertheless, the difference was very large in favor of the Ekstatik. I thought that if a pickup could make such a poorly set up system sing, it would be a revelation in my system, which it actually did.

The system was the big Linn System, which sounded terrible with the Kandid but with Ekstatik music came into the room. I also find the Kandid to be on the analytical side and the Ekstatik to be much more musical.
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evil_C wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 am It’s good that we all hear things differently and have different tastes. Otherwise even those of us with taste might like rap :smt005
I'm pleading the 5th amendment on that one Clive ....... :smt005
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Sagatun wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:50 am I had the opportunity to hear the Kandid against the Ekstatik. Only the arm was replaced with the pickups installed.
If only the arm was changed, I assume it was an Aro. Is that correct?
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Wenge1 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:14 am
evil_C wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 am It’s good that we all hear things differently and have different tastes. Otherwise even those of us with taste might like rap :smt005
I'm pleading the 5th amendment on that one Clive ....... :smt005
I’ve got taste and I like rap :smt023
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In my system, I'd rather keep my Ekstatik than keep my Akubariks. That is, I'd rather enjoy music using Ekstatik and 530s than Kandid and Akubariks. The difference was that profound.
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evil_C wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:44 pm
Sagatun wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:50 am I had the opportunity to hear the Kandid against the Ekstatik. Only the arm was replaced with the pickups installed.
If only the arm was changed, I assume it was an Aro. Is that correct?
The dealer pulled the LP12 to the side, loosened the connector and the side screw on the arm. Then insert the other arm and adjust the height. Took maybe two minutes.
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Sagatun wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:49 pm
evil_C wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:44 pm
Sagatun wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:50 am I had the opportunity to hear the Kandid against the Ekstatik. Only the arm was replaced with the pickups installed.
If only the arm was changed, I assume it was an Aro. Is that correct?
The dealer pulled the LP12 to the side, loosened the connector and the side screw on the arm. Then insert the other arm and adjust the height. Took maybe two minutes.
Thanks. So it wasn’t an Aro.
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How is your Etna these days?

I only ask as I suspect that I may have to replace my Linn Kandid sometime this year and I am obviously interested in Linn's Ekstatik.

When I had a brief listen to an Ekstatik last year I felt that it was not quite for me, but in fairness I would need a home loan in my system, which The Sound Organisation would do, before making any decision and purchase.

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I agree with @OpenAirFan: I found the Ekstatik rather over-analytical compared to the Lyras (both Kleos and Etna) when I had one on home-dem.

I can only say that I am very happy with the choice I made – the Etna Lambda SL having the same overall character as the Kleos SL, but with more of everything I like about the Lyra sound, which I think has great synergy with my (already very revealing) Exakt Akubarik system.

Home loan of an Ekstatik will answer the question whether you prefer it to your Kandid. Obviously it's going to be more difficult arranging home-dem of any of the Lyras. And the switch would be lot more expensive given the Kandid's trade-in value.
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Sagatun wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:50 am
The system was the big Linn System, which sounded terrible with the Kandid but with Ekstatik music came into the room. I also find the Kandid to be on the analytical side and the Ekstatik to be much more musical.

Sagatun you reflect the essential point that a superior cell enhances the greater presence of the music!
I can also imagine the added flexibility of articulation and emotion. Kandid will remain a good cartridge for its price; it's already excellent at this level.
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