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Designacable Mains Cable

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As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

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Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
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Re: Designacable Mains Cable

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DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

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Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
Hi Diggy
Be interesting to see the insides of the mains bits.
I make my own power leads using great quality connectors and cable.
Always at least 1.5mm2 cable ensuring the safe use at proper rating of 13A mains fuse.
Bussmann genuine the correct way round. :smt023
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Re: Designacable Mains Cable

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:smt023
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:45 am
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

Image

Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
Hi Diggy
Be interesting to see the insides of the mains bits.
I make my own power leads using great quality connectors and cable.
Always at least 1.5mm2 cable ensuring the safe use at proper rating of 13A mains fuse.
Bussmann genuine the correct way round.
:smt023
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Re: Designacable Mains Cable

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Moomintroll wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:16 am :smt023
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:45 am
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

Image


Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
Hi Diggy
Be interesting to see the insides of the mains bits.
I make my own power leads using great quality connectors and cable.
Always at least 1.5mm2 cable ensuring the safe use at proper rating of 13A mains fuse.
Bussmann genuine the correct way round.
:smt023
As requested.

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Nothing special about those…

I use MK mains plug (as, I suspect, does Jim)


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DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:29 am
Moomintroll wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:16 am :smt023
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:45 am
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

Image


Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
Hi Diggy
Be interesting to see the insides of the mains bits.
I make my own power leads using great quality connectors and cable.
Always at least 1.5mm2 cable ensuring the safe use at proper rating of 13A mains fuse.
Bussmann genuine the correct way round.
:smt023
As requested.

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Thanks Diggy
What I use is far better and probably cheaper too.
Those look a bit basic quality. :smt018
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Re: Designacable Mains Cable

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Moomintroll wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:03 pm Nothing special about those…

I use MK mains plug (as, I suspect, does Jim)


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Hi Dave
Yes indeed MK all round.
I have tried and like using the MK toughplug too as I can get thicker cable in and I can use ferrules too.
No split or loose strands. :smt023
Polished pins and Bussmann Genuine 13A fuses the right way round. :wink:
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Re: Designacable Mains Cable

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@Coyote Jim
@Moomintroll
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:07 pm
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:29 am
Moomintroll wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:16 am :smt023
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:45 am
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

Image


Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
Hi Diggy
Be interesting to see the insides of the mains bits.
I make my own power leads using great quality connectors and cable.
Always at least 1.5mm2 cable ensuring the safe use at proper rating of 13A mains fuse.
Bussmann genuine the correct way round.
:smt023
As requested.

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Thanks Diggy
What I use is far better and probably cheaper too.
Those look a bit basic quality. :smt018
Agreed, they do look a bit basic. I’ve searched on the web and cannot find any reviews of them. It seems that they might not be that popular, can’t find any reference to them on this or other forums, unlike the positive comments you read about their Ethernet cables.

My plug wall sockets are MS HD Silver plated versions, so looking at Silver plated MS HD Plug and IEC Plug, plus a decent Silver plated Belden cable.

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I’m quite impressed with the MS HD build quality and have used their plug on my office system, easy to wire and can take cable up to 16mm2, so plenty of space to work with.
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Re: Designacable Mains Cable

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DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:58 pm @Coyote Jim
@Moomintroll
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:07 pm
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:29 am
Moomintroll wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:16 am :smt023
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:45 am
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

Image


Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
Hi Diggy
Be interesting to see the insides of the mains bits.
I make my own power leads using great quality connectors and cable.
Always at least 1.5mm2 cable ensuring the safe use at proper rating of 13A mains fuse.
Bussmann genuine the correct way round.
:smt023
As requested.

Image

Image

Image
Thanks Diggy
What I use is far better and probably cheaper too.
Those look a bit basic quality. :smt018
Agreed, they do look a bit basic.

My plug wall sockets are MS HD Silver plated versions, so looking at Silver plated MS HD Plug and IEC Plug, plus a decent Silver plated Belden cable.

Image

Image

I’m quite impressed with the MS HD build quality and have used their plug on my office system, easy to wire and can take cable up to 16mm2, so plenty of space to work with.
Yes the mains plug looks quite funky I’d like to see the terminals I like the MK safety wrap round and clamp terminals and for heavier cable the MK toughplug but I always use ferrules to stop splits and stray strands.
The IEC one you show wouldn’t fit my Klimax case. :smt018
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Re: Designacable Mains Cable

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Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:36 pm
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:58 pm @Coyote Jim
@Moomintroll
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:07 pm
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:29 am
Moomintroll wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:16 am :smt023
Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:45 am
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

Image


Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
Hi Diggy
Be interesting to see the insides of the mains bits.
I make my own power leads using great quality connectors and cable.
Always at least 1.5mm2 cable ensuring the safe use at proper rating of 13A mains fuse.
Bussmann genuine the correct way round.
:smt023
As requested.

Image

Image

Image
Thanks Diggy
What I use is far better and probably cheaper too.
Those look a bit basic quality. :smt018
Agreed, they do look a bit basic.

My plug wall sockets are MS HD Silver plated versions, so looking at Silver plated MS HD Plug and IEC Plug, plus a decent Silver plated Belden cable.

Image

Image

I’m quite impressed with the MS HD build quality and have used their plug on my office system, easy to wire and can take cable up to 16mm2, so plenty of space to work with.
Yes the mains plug looks quite funky I’d like to see the terminals I like the MK safety wrap round and clamp terminals and for heavier cable the MK toughplug but I always use ferrules to stop splits and stray strands.
The IEC one you show wouldn’t fit my Klimax case. :smt018
Here we are, as requested. Good amount of space for thicker cable. The terminals are clamps, rather than screws, so you get a good connection.

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I had that problem with my previous Klimax DS/3
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DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:48 pm
As requested.

Here we are, as requested. Good amount of space for thicker cable. The terminals are clamps, rather than screws, so you get a good connection.

Image :smt023

I had that problem with my previous Klimax DS/3
Thank you for that “ super service “
Nice and roomy the MK pins and terminals are all one piece machined ar those terminals crimped or pressed on. :smt017
Great space for big cable. :smt023
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Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:59 pm
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:48 pm
As requested.

Here we are, as requested. Good amount of space for thicker cable. The terminals are clamps, rather than screws, so you get a good connection.

Image :smt023

I had that problem with my previous Klimax DS/3
Thank you for that “ super service “
Nice and roomy the MK pins and terminals are all one piece machined ar those terminals crimped or pressed on. :smt017
Great space for big cable. :smt023
Looking at the picture, it looks like the clamp terminal is riveted to the plug pins.
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I like MK plugs and have some leads from Mark Grant, which use them and sound fine to me.

I also have some UK-manufactured Olsen mains cords, which to my aged cloth ears sound identical to the MG cables and the ones that came with my Linn electronics. I use Olsen power distribution units as well. Perhaps I’d notice more difference if I had a Utopik.

For network cables, I use Cable Monkey
(https://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/), retail outlet for UK manufacturer Connectix. Ethernet wiring around my cottage is entirely Connectix. I also have some excellent Blue Jeans Cables patch leads but must confess I can’t hear any difference between them and Connectix Magic Patch Leads. Both pass a Fluke test with flying colours.

I have only tried one boutique audiophile network patch lead, the AQ Vodka, and it was a disappointment. My hope is it was a rogue sample, but possibly not, as I had some AQ aerial cables for my TV and … well, I don’t use them any more. Of course, I may have been unlucky.

I can genuinely hear differences between DACs and other sources, loudspeakers and to a lesser extent amplifiers, interconnects, and speaker wires, but I find I can’t hear the improvements others claim from mains cables and network cables. My approach is to use high-quality cables that are safe and work to specification.
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“ I can genuinely hear differences between DACs and other sources, loudspeakers and to a lesser extent amplifiers, interconnects, and speaker wires, but I find I can’t hear the improvements others claim from mains cables and network cables. My approach is to use high-quality cables that are safe and work to specification.”


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Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:13 pm
Moomintroll wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:03 pm Nothing special about those…

I use MK mains plug (as, I suspect, does Jim)


Image
Image
Hi Dave
Yes indeed MK all round.
I have tried and like using the MK toughplug too as I can get thicker cable in and I can use ferrules too.
No split or loose strands. :smt023
Polished pins and Bussmann Genuine 13A fuses the right way round. :wink:
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Coyote Jim wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:45 am
DiggyGun wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:05 am As some of are aware, I’ve ordered and going to try the Designacable CatSnake Cat6a Floating Ethernet Cable to replace my various Chord Steaming Cables.

Whilst on their website, I noted that they also make a Mains Cable.

Image

Has anyone had any experience and if so, what were your thoughts?
Hi Diggy
Be interesting to see the insides of the mains bits.
I make my own power leads using great quality connectors and cable.
Always at least 1.5mm2 cable ensuring the safe use at proper rating of 13A mains fuse.
Bussmann genuine the correct way round. :smt023
.
........ :smt036
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Moomintroll wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:33 am “ I can genuinely hear differences between DACs and other sources, loudspeakers and to a lesser extent amplifiers, interconnects, and speaker wires, but I find I can’t hear the improvements others claim from mains cables and network cables. My approach is to use high-quality cables that are safe and work to specification.”


:smt023
For me to hear a difference, there actually has to be a difference. With mains cables, I don't see a way to improve upon what comes with the kit. And no one has been able to explain to me what the difference in the physical parameters would be. The stock mains leads are 18 gauge conductors. I replaced these with 14 gauge. Made no difference in sound. And wire gauge has the potential to make a difference. As it turns out, 18 gauge is adequate.
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Re: Designacable Mains Cable

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akamatsu wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:37 pm
Moomintroll wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:33 am “ I can genuinely hear differences between DACs and other sources, loudspeakers and to a lesser extent amplifiers, interconnects, and speaker wires, but I find I can’t hear the improvements others claim from mains cables and network cables. My approach is to use high-quality cables that are safe and work to specification.”


:smt023
For me to hear a difference, there actually has to be a difference. With mains cables, I don't see a way to improve upon what comes with the kit. And no one has been able to explain to me what the difference in the physical parameters would be. The stock mains leads are 18 gauge conductors. I replaced these with 14 gauge. Made no difference in sound. And wire gauge has the potential to make a difference. As it turns out, 18 gauge is adequate.
To make it even more interesting, if you look at the UK mains plugs above, you’ll see we have legally mandated fuses to protect the mains cable. The fuse wire therein will be very fine in comparison to the gauge of the cable.
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