Bedrok Plinth.

[Dan Steel]

All these upgrades will only be beneficial to people under 30 according to the medical journal…

AGE RELATED HEARING LOSS
Age-related hearing loss (also known as presbycusis) is a decrease in hearing ability that happens with age. In most cases, the hearing loss affects both ears. It can begin as early as a person's thirties or forties and worsens gradually over time.

Age-related hearing loss first affects the ability to hear high-frequency sounds, such as speech. Affected people find it increasingly difficult to understand what others are saying, particularly when there is background noise (such as at a party). However, because the hearing loss is gradual, many people do not realize they cannot hear as well as they used to. They may turn up the television volume or start speaking louder without being aware of it.

As the hearing loss worsens, it affects more frequencies of sound, making it difficult to hear more than just speech. Determining where a sound is coming from (localization) and identifying its source become more challenging. Some affected individuals also experience a ringing sensation in the ears (tinnitus) or dizziness and problems with balance (presbystasis).

Age-related hearing loss often impacts a person's quality of life. Because affected individuals have trouble understanding speech, the condition affects their ability to communicate. It can contribute to social isolation, depression, and loss of self-esteem. Age-related hearing loss also causes safety issues if individuals become unable to hear smoke alarms, car horns, and other sounds that alert people to dangerous situations.

Pardon!.

[John]

Hi.
Attended a very interesting demo at Swedish dealer Tonlaget this week with two mates. Played via Selekt DSM Edition (Organic of some sort) and Linn 150 speakers.
First a comparison was made between Bedrok equipped Majik LP12 and standard Majik LP12. Adikt was used on both players.
First the standard player. Nice and enjoyable with typical standard character, a bit hint of fat bas and treble not overly detailed. Attributes which one typically points to as Majik PSU or the Adikt.
Switch over to the Bedrok equipped Majik LP12. Muddy bas gone, tremendous more energy from all instruments. Voices had much more variations and the band played more together rather than individual instruments. Played a bit of unknown modern music which was totally bland on the standard deck but with Bedrok it just became enjoyable.

Bedrok equipped Majik vs Selekt LP12. (still using built inn phone stage of the Selekt DSM).
We expected that there would be lots of more information, especially at higher frequencies, and yes it was a pit more info and cymbals had a bit more of "ring" to them but that was it. The same cymbal was hit with a lot more energy and had more tonal variations from the "simpler" deck with bedrok. A total walk over by Bedrok equipped Majik. The Selekt LP12 was just uninvolving and flat in comparison.

Bedrok equipped Majik vs Klimax LP12 (Urika 2). Interesting one.
I can understand that some may prefer the Klimax deck as it is indeed more information being presented but from a tune and musical point of view, the Bedrock equipped deck was basically more fun to listen to. Saxophone, cymbals, drums etc just had a lot more energy in how it was presented while the Klimax LP12 appeared as typical high end turntable associated with other brands. If I had to chouse I would take the Bedrok equipped Majik LP12 any day.

What's interesting is how the Bedrok equipped deck performs with the plain Majik PSU as well as Adik. We all know that other PSU's, arms and cartridges perform massively better but the plinth just alters the hierarchy. In hindsight it's not that surprising given the performance difference between LP12-50 edition and streaming Klimax DSM which I with my family had the pleasure to listen to at Linn's factory this summer. That difference was clearly bigger than between standard Klimax LP12 (including Stiletto) and streaming from Klimax DSM which I have heard at other demos.

Bonus: the plinth looks a lot better in real life than on the pictures.

Nice review! Thanks for sharing your impressions. The results and performance of the Bedrock plinth do not surprise me and indicates its place in the hierarchy. It appears you’re dealing with a smart Linn dealership.

[alto]

I think it's good to put the differences into perspective.
LP12 single Majik isn't bland or it wouldn't be appreciated, any more than any LP12 in the last 50 years. LP12 Majik Bedrok is probably superior in comparison, it is desirable that it does not erase the pleasure obtained from LP12 without Bedrok. If the Bedrok performance erases the other LP12s, the significant price becomes a risk to dissuade from buying an LP12 without Bedrok.

[Peter_P]

The difference between the Bedrock Plinth and the Standard Plinth is not only in the material. Although the external shape is the same, the internal shapes differ significantly. The motor corner in particular now provides more support for the top plate. I can well imagine that this leads to less vibration of the top plate and can explain some of the changes caused by the Bedrok plinth.
It would be an interesting experiment if the simple corner reinforcements of the standard plinth were to be replaced by “identically shaped” reinforcements of the Bedrok plinth. Only then would it be possible to really measure the influence of the material.
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[Øyvind I]

I think it's good to put the differences into perspective.
LP12 single Majik isn't bland or it wouldn't be appreciated, any more than any LP12 in the last 50 years. LP12 Majik Bedrok is probably superior in comparison, it is desirable that it does not erase the pleasure obtained from LP12 without Bedrok. If the Bedrok performance erases the other LP12s, the significant price becomes a risk to dissuade from buying an LP12 without Bedrok.

Hi, a very important comment and I totally agree. So even if I really liked the Bedrock and head that I do not have it at home I still enjoyed listening at my deck. As with any other upgrade one hear, it doesn't make what one have suddenly getting worse.
A standard Majik LP12 is a very very good turntable.

[Coyote Jim]

The difference between the Bedrock Plinth and the Standard Plinth is not only in the material. Although the external shape is the same, the internal shapes differ significantly. The motor corner in particular now provides more support for the top plate. I can well imagine that this leads to less vibration of the top plate and can explain some of the changes caused by the Bedrok plinth.
It would be an interesting experiment if the simple corner reinforcements of the standard plinth were to be replaced by “identically shaped” reinforcements of the Bedrok plinth. Only then would it be possible to really measure the influence of the material.
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That top picture looks like it’s the LP12-50 not the offered bedrock plinth as upgrade.
This is.
The switch is very different too.

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[george_s]

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A standard Majik LP12 is a very very good turntable.

Haven't heard Bedrok but agreed on the stock Majik LP12, I'm very happy with it.

[timster]

...
A standard Majik LP12 is a very very good turntable.

Haven't heard Bedrok but agreed on the stock Majik LP12, I'm very happy with it.

Me three (although mine is slightly up from standard).

[alto]

The difference between the Bedrock Plinth and the Standard Plinth is not only in the material. Although the external shape is the same, the internal shapes differ significantly. The motor corner in particular now provides more support for the top plate. I can well imagine that this leads to less vibration of the top plate and can explain some of the changes caused by the Bedrok plinth.
It would be an interesting experiment if the simple corner reinforcements of the standard plinth were to be replaced by “identically shaped” reinforcements of the Bedrok plinth. Only then would it be possible to really measure the influence of the material.

The Bedrok offers the advantage of being a single block machined from low-resonance multi-ply CPL, optimising rigidity. Looking at the Bedrok, it seems to me that Linn could offer an improved traditional plinth at a more affordable price. For example, perhaps the corner reinforcements could be made thicker; brackets glued to the originals and the base to reinforce the rigidity and weight of the corners; wider support for the top plate next to the motor ?

[Cymbiosis]

Looking at the Bedrok, it seems to me that Linn could offer an improved traditional plinth at a more affordable price. For example, perhaps the corner reinforcements could be made thicker; brackets glued to the originals and the base to reinforce the rigidity and weight of the corners; wider support for the top plate next to the motor ?

I have said for years and years as many of you know, that the most important part of set-up is the quality and integrity of fit of the top-plate into the plinth so as the mechanical energy of the motor is properly "sinked" into the plinth. This is why an LP12 with a rattly top-plate, particularly in the motor corner, the sound is very seriously degraded.
I will be visiting the factory on the 29th/30th April and will be raising this with them as I feel research in this area could/would prove fruitful.
BTW. The 50 and Bedrok plinths are supplied with laser cut stainless steel top plates which is different to the standard top plate as well. Is this for cosmetic reasons or are there potential sonic benefits there as well?
Finally on the subject of the Bedrok plinth. It is a real shocker of an upgrade! Yes, the cost is substantial but the improvement in sound quality is absolutely huge, make no mistake about that. I will also be pushing to have a painted finish if possible too.

KR,

Peter

[Mr Onion]

I will also be pushing to have a painted finish if possible too.

... and fluted? (although I am not sure how fluting would work with the multi layered composite construction)

It is a real shocker of an upgrade!

I'll have to listen next time we are down (or maybe not considering that it sounds like a no brainer)

Damn, there goes the other kidney

[Dan Steel]

I will also be pushing to have a painted finish if possible too.

... and fluted? (although I am not sure how fluting would work with the multi layered composite construction)

It is a real shocker of an upgrade!

I'll have to listen next time we are down (or maybe not considering that it sounds like a no brainer)

Damn, there goes the other kidney

[Cymbiosis]

I'll have to listen next time we are down (or maybe not considering that it sounds like a no brainer)

Damn, there goes the other kidney

Just for info only Mr Onion not a problem and you are always welcome with Mrs Onion of course... I'll try and make sure Alison
is with me at the shop too, as and when as I know there will be lots of knitting talk etc!

[Mr Onion]

Cheers Peter

I know there will be lots of knitting talk

Knitting, crochet and when the next baby/wedding is expected Women eh?

[Cymbiosis]

As mentioned in the Peter's Travel thread... I've been a bit busy recently with Alison recovering from surgery and then getting a horrible Flu. She's still coughing madly after nearly 6 weeks!
Plus in answer to your comment: Alison's daughter Victoria get's married in 4 weeks in early April and my daughter Nicola gets married in early May! So lot's of knitting potential there... Especially as we have a 13 hour flight and back in the final third of May! My biggest ever overseas installation!

Never a dull moment in these parts

KR

Peter

[FangfossFlyer]

Finally on the subject of the Bedrok plinth. It is a real shocker of an upgrade! Yes, the cost is substantial but the improvement in sound quality is absolutely huge, make no mistake about that. I will also be pushing to have a painted finish if possible too.

KR,

Peter

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More power to your elbow Peter!

As whilst it is very expensive and my wife couldn't believe the price tag when we went to The Sound Org I said that it's a shame it is not in back and my wife smiled, probably in relief!



Richard

[akamatsu]

The Bedrok top plate is thicker than the standard top plate.

[alto]

I have said for years and years as many of you know, that the most important part of set-up is the quality and integrity of fit of the top-plate into the plinth so as the mechanical energy of the motor is properly "sinked" into the plinth. This is why an LP12 with a rattly top-plate, particularly in the motor corner, the sound is very seriously degraded.
I will be visiting the factory on the 29th/30th April and will be raising this with them as I feel research in this area could/would prove fruitful.

KR,

Peter

Very good suggestion Peter . With bedrok Linn has provided a wider support under the top plate near the engine, this being an improvement, hopefully Linn can apply towards the standard plinths. At the same time, it would be interesting to know Linn's intentions for Utopik Radikal. Thank you

[Dan Steel]

I’m here now at Cymbiosis listening to Peggy Lee on the Bedrock ….WOW!!!

[Mr Onion]

I’m here now at Cymbiosis listening to Peggy Lee on the Bedrock ….WOW!!!

It sounds OK then?

[Dan Steel]

I’m here now at Cymbiosis listening to Peggy Lee on the Bedrock ….WOW!!!

It sounds OK then?

Just a bit

[Mr Onion]

As mentioned in the Peter's Travel thread... I've been a bit busy recently with Alison recovering from surgery and then getting a horrible Flu. She's still coughing madly after nearly 6 weeks!
Plus in answer to your comment: Alison's daughter Victoria get's married in 4 weeks in early April and my daughter Nicola gets married in early May! So lot's of knitting potential there... Especially as we have a 13 hour flight and back in the final third of May! My biggest ever overseas installation!

Never a dull moment in these parts

KR

Peter

You certainly like to keep busy

[Nestor Turton]

I’m here now at Cymbiosis listening to Peggy Lee on the Bedrock ….WOW!!!

Wow - not great then? What about Flutter?

I’ll get my coat …

[akamatsu]

I’m here now at Cymbiosis listening to Peggy Lee on the Bedrock ….WOW!!!

Wow - not great then? What about Flutter?

I’ll get my coat …

[Dan Steel]

I’m here now at Cymbiosis listening to Peggy Lee on the Bedrock ….WOW!!!

Wow - not great then? What about Flutter?

I’ll get my coat …

Is it this one