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Kudos Klub

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Our recent Kudos X3 acquisition. :smt007
We've been thinking that sometimes the bottom end can be a little bit too shallow and sometimes lost in the mix so rather than blame Rudy Van Gelder it was decided that it was time to open up the other end of the system and remove hopefully the bottleneck that had appeared.
Floor standers always scared me a bit as the room isn't too large but I had always got good punch from my previous small speakers and at one time tried B&W floor standers but it didn't matter what I did they just seemed cut off at the top end and had a mono boom for bass.
I've come to the conclusion over many recent upgrades that less is more and the least complicated the signal path then ultimately the results should be better.
I started to obsess about the number of components in crossovers and came to a conclusion that some are far too complicated compensating for perhaps less accurate drive units now ive been reading into the Clarity caps and Mundorf component world I'll get there eventually Kudos speakers and minimalist high quality manufactured drive units and components.
I was very lucky to be able to have a pair in my home for a week and have to say by the second day if not sooner I realised I'd not only decided to dig into albums I previously thought too bright or lacking depth or maybe not a great mix were playing with consummate ease giving a very much more fulfilling and relaxing experience.
In fact not only had my record collection grown by a large percentage so very much had the range from the speakers no more half shut eyes sometimes with vibes or looking for the rich bass lines in the acoustic jazz rhythm section.
I know about the run in process especially with mechanical moving parts but if these do get better it's by far a bonus as the signature high detail snappy and tuneful bass and sweet crisp treble not to mention the space round the instruments it's all going fantastic we love them. :smt007 8) :smt023
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Hmmm! I might try them. :smt023
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Having previously heard Kudos speakers both at Hotel Street and Brooke Park including the 808's Peter has in his Dem room (with bass that the earthquake monitors on the San Andreas Fault would worry about) I knew I wanted a pair of Kudos somethings at some time.

So, when I was there a fortnight ago Peter offered me a pair of 'pre loved' MINT Super 20's that no one in the right mind could refuse, so (despite not quite being in my right mind) I didn't :mrg:

What can I say. I now have a fair slice of what the 808's can do in my far more humble room. Despite only being delivered yesterday they sound FANTASTIC. Lots of bass, lots of treble, lots of ff in the middle, and lots of music.
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Mr Onion wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:44 pm Having previously heard Kudos speakers both at Hotel Street and Brooke Park including the 808's Peter has in his Dem room (with bass that the earthquake monitors on the San Andreas Fault would worry about) I knew I wanted a pair of Kudos somethings at some time.

So, when I was there a fortnight ago Peter offered me a pair of 'pre loved' MINT Super 20's that no one in the right mind could refuse, so (despite not quite being in my right mind) I didn't :mrg:

What can I say. I now have a fair slice of what the 808's can do in my far more humble room. Despite only being delivered yesterday they sound FANTASTIC. Lots of bass, lots of treble, lots of ff in the middle, and lots of music.

Glad you like them James. :smt023
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Not that I’m even close to replacing the loudspeakers in my setup, but what Kudos alternative would be the most fitting? 606s? Mind you, I haven’t heard anything from the Kudos range...
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Pediatrik wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:56 pm Not that I’m even close to replacing the loudspeakers in my setup, but what Kudos alternative would be the most fitting? 606s? Mind you, I haven’t heard anything from the Kudos range...

Mikael.
We've all moved from Linn to Kudos. :smt007
They're a real eye ear opener. 8) :smt023
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Now I have had the Super 20's a few days (and the DV XX, Urika and Shawlines have a few dozen hours on them) things are settling nicely.

Less HiFi and more music. the bass seems less but in reality is more. Its far more controlled and 'real' instead of being uncontrolled and impressive. (If you can make sense of that you win a Jelly Baby :roll: )

How much is down to what bit? Wel,l making all the changes in less than 2 weeks its not easy to separate things out, but the speakers are the icing on the cake as it were. The Keilidh's are good, but the Kudos are just soooooooo much better.

Thank you Peter
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I have to agree with the views about Kudos speakers.

Santa was very good to me last Christmas and brought me a fabulous looking (and sounding) pair of Kudos Super 20A speakers to replace the ageing Kabers in my Akurate ExaKt system. Though happy with the sound produced by my EXaKted Kabers they were around 25 years old and obviously would not last forever and I had the feeling that they were the weakest link in my system. Akubariks were too big for my living room and Akudoriks just didn’t thrill me. SunbeamGLS’s excellent review of the Super 20A speakers on his Audiophile Musings Blog http://audiophilemusings.blogspot.com/s ... uper%2020a was the spur for me to go and listen to them, and being not much larger than the Kabers were a better fit in my living room than the Akubariks.

After my first brief listen I found that there is more detail in the treble, mid and bass. There is more space between notes and between instruments. The bass goes a lot deeper than it did with the Kabers and it is more controlled and tuneful. Everything I'm hearing is more natural and more balanced especially vocals. Comparing the Kudos speakers to my old Kabers it’s as though the Kabers were enveloped in a layer of carpet and it has been removed, everything is clearer, cleaner, crisper with a more precise and more 3D soundstage. Less 'Hi-Fi' sounding, more musical, more tuneful and easier to listen to. I'm a very happy bunny

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Nice neat looking set up John. :smt023
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@ John.
Amazing finish on the Kudos haven't seen a pair like that. :shock:
Neat setup too. 8) :smt023
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Thanks Dan and Jim. Here's another photo of just the Kudos Super 20As
ImageKudos Super 20A front by John Payne, on Flickr

These are finished in Santos Rosewood which is no longer available. They were the demo pair sent to my local Linn dealer by Kudos and I fell in love with the beautifully figured veneer and wanted to buy them before I had even heard them. If I had ordered a new pair from Kudos there was no quarantee that they would have the same grain so I asked the dealer if I could buy this specific pair and they managed to persude Kudos to let me have them. Very happy they did as it is exceptional veneer and beautifully finished. :D
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ae111sr wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 pm Thanks Dan and Jim. Here's another photo of just the Kudos Super 20As
ImageKudos Super 20A front by John Payne, on Flickr

These are finished in Santos Rosewood which is no longer available. They were the demo pair sent to my local Linn dealer by Kudos and I fell in love with the beautifully figured veneer and wanted to buy them before I had even heard them. If I had ordered a new pair from Kudos there was no quarantee that they would have the same grain so I asked the dealer if I could buy this specific pair and they managed to persude Kudos to let me have them. Very happy they did as it is exceptional veneer and beautifully finished. :D

Hi John,
You're most welcome and thank you for taking the extra time and effort to share.
They really are striking. :shock:
When I got my Kudos the colour I wanted wasn't available but Peter at Cymbiosis contacted Derek Gilligan and he built a pair for me and shipped them within a couple of days.
Superb service from dealer and manufacturer. 8) :smt023
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Is just me that can see this ?
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Mr Onion wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:44 pm Having previously heard Kudos speakers both at Hotel Street and Brooke Park including the 808's Peter has in his Dem room (with bass that the earthquake monitors on the San Andreas Fault would worry about) I knew I wanted a pair of Kudos somethings at some time.

So, when I was there a fortnight ago Peter offered me a pair of 'pre loved' MINT Super 20's that no one in the right mind could refuse, so (despite not quite being in my right mind) I didn't :mrg:

What can I say. I now have a fair slice of what the 808's can do in my far more humble room. Despite only being delivered yesterday they sound FANTASTIC. Lots of bass, lots of treble, lots of ff in the middle, and lots of music.


I think they might actually have been my pre-loved (and very much so) MINT Super 20’s. And if they are, I’d be delighted to know that they had gone to the home of someone who would truly appreciate what a tremendous pair of speakers they are and get as much pleasure from them. :D
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Craig Lang wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:49 pm Is just me that can see this ?
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Dave J wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:22 pm
Mr Onion wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:44 pm Having previously heard Kudos speakers both at Hotel Street and Brooke Park including the 808's Peter has in his Dem room (with bass that the earthquake monitors on the San Andreas Fault would worry about) I knew I wanted a pair of Kudos somethings at some time.

So, when I was there a fortnight ago Peter offered me a pair of 'pre loved' MINT Super 20's that no one in the right mind could refuse, so (despite not quite being in my right mind) I didn't :mrg:

What can I say. I now have a fair slice of what the 808's can do in my far more humble room. Despite only being delivered yesterday they sound FANTASTIC. Lots of bass, lots of treble, lots of ff in the middle, and lots of music.


I think they might actually have been my pre-loved (and very much so) MINT Super 20’s. And if they are, I’d be delighted to know that they had gone to the home of someone who would truly appreciate what a tremendous pair of speakers they are and get as much pleasure from them. :D


I think they may be. Single wired in Cherry with unused grills? Didn't you end up with the 505's? :smt017

EDIT:- Yes they were yours. I just got the boxes out of the garage ready to put them in the loft and I managed to peel a little of the label back to see what was underneath.

EDIT2:- Mrs O says I have to block you because shes not interested in when you are upgrading next :roll:
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That’s them! Great ff, I know you’ll enjoy them, they LOVE an LP12 :smt023

I got a pair of 606’s, which are a similar footprint so fit my room perfectly. Please let Mrs O that I will not be changing them, these are the end of the line speakers for me. :D
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Mrs O says thank you :lol:
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Mr Onion wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:44 pm Mrs O says thank you :lol:

Mrs O says settle down boy.
One things for sure.
Kudos to us. 8) :smt023 :smt005
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The more I listen the less the speakers appear to be doing. They just sit there looking quite pretty and the music flows out. No drama, no effort, loads of bass even at very low listening levels. They just let you hear whats going on upstream.

I don't know what the guys and guyesses at Kudos are drinking, but it lets them make fantastic speakers at a great VFM price point.
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A thousand words not required. 8) :smt023
We love them. :smt007
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ae111sr wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 pm Thanks Dan and Jim. Here's another photo of just the Kudos Super 20As
ImageKudos Super 20A front by John Payne, on Flickr

These are finished in Santos Rosewood which is no longer available. They were the demo pair sent to my local Linn dealer by Kudos and I fell in love with the beautifully figured veneer and wanted to buy them before I had even heard them. If I had ordered a new pair from Kudos there was no quarantee that they would have the same grain so I asked the dealer if I could buy this specific pair and they managed to persude Kudos to let me have them. Very happy they did as it is exceptional veneer and beautifully finished. :D


Hey John. I do believe that is the very same pair I auditioned a few months back at Ceritech. And I do believe you are the one who told me of the demo day :D
You may be interested (or not) to know the deal never happened. I couldn't raise the funds :(
But I am now Akurate Exaktboxed instead, waiting for funds to Katalyse, and still running my 140s (now with the upgrade stands). Half of me wishes the above Kudos' were in my living room, the other half is very pleased with the change from Majik EBox to Akurate.
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I'm definitely a Kudos fanboy - I'm sure that you will continue to enjoy the Super 20s, they are a nning speaker for the money (and full stop). I love mine :smt023
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Might be a few months away but I am contemplating a speaker upgrade from my active Keilihds. I like what you guys are saying about Kudos speakers and will certainly give them a listen. I have an ADSM and Akurate 4200 amp. What is the model I should be contemplating as a replacement to my beloved Keilidhs? Also, what do I do about the active cards in my amp? Do I remove them and bi-amp the Kudos speakers?

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Billz wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:11 pm Might be a few months away but I am contemplating a speaker upgrade from my active Keilihds. I like what you guys are saying about Kudos speakers and will certainly give them a listen. I have an ADSM and Akurate 4200 amp. What is the model I should be contemplating as a replacement to my beloved Keilidhs? Also, what do I do about the active cards in my amp? Do I remove them and bi-amp the Kudos speakers?

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