Kudos Klub

[Coyote Jim]

Just read on the grapevine that Kudos Super 20s have been discontinued and any dealer ex dem stock is moving at discounted prices.
Online auction sites have many dealers offers.

Wonder if that means there’s a replacement imminent? Would leave a big gap £ wise to Titans.

I think they will just move more high end with the crossover and the titan range.
Anything they replace with would only stall sales further up the chain.
Shame but they had to start somewhere.
My X3s are not going anywhere.

[timster]

Just read on the grapevine that Kudos Super 20s have been discontinued and any dealer ex dem stock is moving at discounted prices.
Online auction sites have many dealers offers.

Wonder if that means there’s a replacement imminent? Would leave a big gap £ wise to Titans.

They may be keeping the super10s. The opposite of what Linn did with the Majik speaker range!

[timster]

Question for Super20a Exakt owners. There were 2 choices of filters. Standard and Original.
I chose Standard but wondering if that's right?

[timster]

Next question. Do people have the driver covers on for any reason other than cats and kids? I have neither...

They look better naked:

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[Mr Onion]

Do people have the driver covers on

Naked here (OOER Missus)

[timster]

Do people have the driver covers on

Naked here (OOER Missus)

No worries about dust?

[Mr Onion]

No worries about dust?

Just a gentle flick with a feather duster does the job (and cleans the cones as well )

[timster]

No worries about dust?

Just a gentle flick with a feather duster does the job (and cleans the cones as well )

Good idea. I knew there was a reason for having a feather duster! Or faux feather anyway.

[papillon]

Where do you choose this?

Any feedback from the first hours with the kudos?

Question for Super20a Exakt owners. There were 2 choices of filters. Standard and Original.
I chose Standard but wondering if that's right?

[timster]

Where do you choose this?

Any feedback from the first hours with the kudos?

Question for Super20a Exakt owners. There were 2 choices of filters. Standard and Original.
I chose Standard but wondering if that's right?

When adding the speakers you have to choose which filters to use for the exakt setup in Manage Systems. I just picked the first on the list which seems to be the latest.

So far so good from yesterday's listening. There is much more clarity than the 140s, and can hear more detail (the usual 'I never heard that before!'). Basically the top and mids are much better defined and musical. Also the soundstage feels wider. I think they are perhaps less sensitive, had to up the volume quite a bit. But the speakers definitely disappeared.

Issue with the bass though, or lack thereof, when applying Space. Again (or still) symptomatic of Space, and my room perhaps, and personal preference. Something I've had with the 140s so not unsurprising initially.
Looking at the room modes there are three main cuts. A massive 15db at 82Hz, and another two 12db cuts lower down, so the profile from 80hz down is probably why. After experimenting, a 2db bass shelf from 80Hz proved much better. Seems alot though, I only had a 1db at 50hz before, but then I had my rel to extend the 140s bass.

When I get a chance today I'll reattach the rel. I was hoping I wouldn't need it but from yesterday's testing and tweaking it's only almost there so I'm hopeful it will fill in the missing piece. I would just prefer a little more bass 'feel'. Which is surprising if I'm totally honest. I'm almost tempted to turn Space off because that had more feel, but at the expense of a bit of woofiness that masked the details.

[papillon]

Thanks for this feedback
Indeed space optimization can be tricky sometimes
I am a bit surprised s20a needs to push up the volume. Could mean that the internal amplifier of linn selekt won’t be powerful enough then..

[timster]

Thanks for this feedback
Indeed space optimization can be tricky sometimes
I am a bit surprised s20a needs to push up the volume. Could mean that the internal amplifier of linn selekt won’t be powerful enough then..

I'd have to look at the sensitivity and compare with the 140s.
I think someone on here is driving Kudos with selekt amps, Titans even. But maybe they are more sensitive.

[timster]

They are both 88dB sensitivity.
Perhaps it's simply that I was powering the 140s with 8x 100w while the Super20s only 4x.

[Zee9]

Actually the s20a’s should be easier to drive as they are 8 ohms speakers.

Is the wiring correct. Could be a phase issue if polarity is mixed up.

Also I’m testing the Selekt Amp Module at home this week (again) as I hadn’t tested it with the newly aquired speakers. The amp module is similar to Lejonklou amps and is 8.5db lower in gain to all other Linn amps.

My wife prefers the amp module over the 4200/1 but I prefer that Akurate (contrary to my prior beliefs) with this JMR speaker. For the price difference in the used market we’ll probably buy the amp module.

Are you using the kudos speaker cables? Have you tried your older Linn speaker cables?

[Coyote Jim]

Could just be accustomed to too much fake bass and the detail is terrifying.
One thing My Kudos X3s and other S20s are is not bass light.
Hi Fi is two channel and AV is 2.1 and above.

[timster]

Just been to my dealer to give him my blood. I mentioned the need for higher volume and bass shelf, he said they are harder to drive than the 140s and they use them both so should know.
Also sensitivity is just a number and is meaningless.

SO always cuts the bass, regardless. My room has particular modes that it is trying to deal with, plus proximity to left wall. Without SO you are correct, not bass light at all. But it's not surprising that with SO they can be. Room mode/configuration/speaker positioning dependent of course.

[Coyote Jim]

I remember a group of us at the factory listening to a Selekt turntable setup and it sounded ok but a bit thin.
We asked for the SO to be turned off and everyone clapped.

[timster]

I remember a group of us at the factory listening to a Selekt turntable setup and it sounded ok but a bit thin.
We asked for the SO to be turned off and everyone clapped.

Yeah, I have been tempted to turn it off tbh. The 140s needed it though, too muddy on the left thanks to geography.
I'll see how it goes, but with the shelf and a bit of help from the rel the bass is where it should be again with the added details. To my taste at any rate

[Coyote Jim]

I remember a group of us at the factory listening to a Selekt turntable setup and it sounded ok but a bit thin.
We asked for the SO to be turned off and everyone clapped.

Yeah, I have been tempted to turn it off tbh. The 140s needed it though, too muddy on the left thanks to geography.
I'll see how it goes, but with the shelf and a bit of help from the rel the bass is where it should be again with the added details. To my taste at any rate

I’d be more inclined to keep it clean and move your gear about to optimise its audiophile possibilities instead of trying to compromise.
I believe in one or other not both.
My telly sits in the corner with a soundbar underneath and has no connection to the audio system.

Audio system always optimised and never compromised.

[timster]

I remember a group of us at the factory listening to a Selekt turntable setup and it sounded ok but a bit thin.
We asked for the SO to be turned off and everyone clapped.

Yeah, I have been tempted to turn it off tbh. The 140s needed it though, too muddy on the left thanks to geography.
I'll see how it goes, but with the shelf and a bit of help from the rel the bass is where it should be again with the added details. To my taste at any rate

I’d be more inclined to keep it clean and move your gear about to optimise its audiophile possibilities instead of trying to compromise.
I believe in one or other not both.
My telly sits in the corner with a soundbar underneath and has no connection to the audio system.

Audio system always optimised and never compromised.

Not possible. The system can only go where it is, speakers likewise. I don't have the luxury of being able to move things around. That's what SO is for after all.
The room is the compromising factor rather than anything else and I ain't moving house!
If SO and yes even some bass extension can mitigate the room, that's not compromising, that's fixing.

I have now got it where I like it after a few hours tweaking custom filters and integrating the sub. It's fixed, not compromised

[Coyote Jim]

I remember a group of us at the factory listening to a Selekt turntable setup and it sounded ok but a bit thin.
We asked for the SO to be turned off and everyone clapped.

Yeah, I have been tempted to turn it off tbh. The 140s needed it though, too muddy on the left thanks to geography.
I'll see how it goes, but with the shelf and a bit of help from the rel the bass is where it should be again with the added details. To my taste at any rate

I’d be more inclined to keep it clean and move your gear about to optimise its audiophile possibilities instead of trying to compromise.
I believe in one or other not both.
My telly sits in the corner with a soundbar underneath and has no connection to the audio system.

Audio system always optimised and never compromised.

Not possible. The system can only go where it is, speakers likewise. I don't have the luxury of being able to move things around. That's what SO is for after all.
The room is the compromising factor rather than anything else and I ain't moving house!
If SO and yes even some bass extension can mitigate the room, that's not compromising, that's fixing.

I have now got it where I like it after a few hours tweaking custom filters and integrating the sub. It's fixed, not compromised

As long as your happy.
Anything not fixed properly is compromised.
By the way there are no bungs for S20s just in case your not sure.

[timster]

As Larry!
Saved by deadmau5 is sounding wunderbar as I write....

[papillon]

I am always a bit afraid of the amp module not being powerful enough
But today i could plug the selekt edition and its amp module into the new scansonic q3, 87db under 6 ohm

The result was incredibly good, even the dealer was impressed and called a colleague
The q3 is not in the Linn selection of speakers but could be soon as the dealer will ask them to add it. But sometimes selecting your speakers in the linn mgt system doesn’t really modify the sound

So i don’t know why but with some speakers the result is boring with the amp module (on difficult speakers) and sometimes like today it’s stunning
On Totem bison tower, the result wasn’t interesting even if the sensibility seems to more or less like the scansonic q3

With neat iota explorer it was also great and even better when i selected the proper speaker in the mgt system

Actually the s20a’s should be easier to drive as they are 8 ohms speakers.

Is the wiring correct. Could be a phase issue if polarity is mixed up.

Also I’m testing the Selekt Amp Module at home this week (again) as I hadn’t tested it with the newly aquired speakers. The amp module is similar to Lejonklou amps and is 8.5db lower in gain to all other Linn amps.

My wife prefers the amp module over the 4200/1 but I prefer that Akurate (contrary to my prior beliefs) with this JMR speaker. For the price difference in the used market we’ll probably buy the amp module.

Are you using the kudos speaker cables? Have you tried your older Linn speaker cables?

[arm]

Just been to my dealer to give him my blood. I mentioned the need for higher volume and bass shelf, he said they are harder to drive than the 140s and they use them both so should know.
Also sensitivity is just a number and is meaningless.

SO always cuts the bass, regardless. My room has particular modes that it is trying to deal with, plus proximity to left wall. Without SO you are correct, not bass light at all. But it's not surprising that with SO they can be. Room mode/configuration/speaker positioning dependent of course.

I replaced my M140's with T606's , same up stream with A4200's ( one on highs, one on Bass) and I feel I am getting more out of the amps than with the M140s. maybe cause I'm using half the channels on each now? Maybe cause I can turn up the t606 due to a better tweeter or its just down to the massive bass?

I dont feel like the A4200 are being driven harder. Than said , the new power supply for Linn amps will be interesting.

[timster]

Just been to my dealer to give him my blood. I mentioned the need for higher volume and bass shelf, he said they are harder to drive than the 140s and they use them both so should know.
Also sensitivity is just a number and is meaningless.

SO always cuts the bass, regardless. My room has particular modes that it is trying to deal with, plus proximity to left wall. Without SO you are correct, not bass light at all. But it's not surprising that with SO they can be. Room mode/configuration/speaker positioning dependent of course.

I replaced my M140's with T606's , same up stream with A4200's ( one on highs, one on Bass) and I feel I am getting more out of the amps than with the M140s. maybe cause I'm using half the channels on each now? Maybe cause I can turn up the t606 due to a better tweeter or its just down to the massive bass?

I dont feel like the A4200 are being driven harder. Than said , the new power supply for Linn amps will be interesting.

Titans are possibly easier to drive? Plus they are Isobarik which no doubt is significant for the bass.