Kudos Klub

[Wenge1]

Could just be accustomed to too much fake bass and the detail is terrifying.
One thing My Kudos X3s and other S20s are is not bass light.
Hi Fi is two channel and AV is 2.1 and above.

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[Wenge1]

Next question. Do people have the driver covers on for any reason other than cats and kids? I have neither...

They look better naked:

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I use mine with the covers on as I prefer the look. I could not tell a difference between covers on or covers off. In fact, Kudos state that as far they are concerned there is no difference. Go with what you want ........

[timster]

As there are no wandering fingers or claws I'm going with them off. The Qs are back on though - nice contrast.

[DiggyGun]

Next question. Do people have the driver covers on for any reason other than cats and kids? I have neither...

They look better naked:

I keep my covers on, personally prefer this look.

[timster]

Next question. Do people have the driver covers on for any reason other than cats and kids? I have neither...

They look better naked:

I keep my covers on, personally prefer this look.

Agree on the Titans. They are great looking fully dressed. Not so much Super20s

[wildwildWes]

Hello Kudos Klub! Has anybody compared any of the Titans to Akubariks? What were your observations?

[hashluck]

Hello Kudos Klub! Has anybody compared any of the Titans to Akubariks? What were your observations?

I did and preferred the Titans 606, 707 and 808 in that order. I cannot put my finger on why but I have struggled with Linn speakers of the last decade, all the detail but just missing that hair standing on end moments.

[timster]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

[Andyt916]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

My tale (not Kudos related but bear with me) - a couple of years back I came into some money and treated myself to an amp upgrade. I purchased a pair of Klimax Solos and a Klimax Kontrol pre-amp to replace some (lovely warm sounding Arcam amps). My initial thoughts were that they were great on detail but not emotionally involving. This was solved to some extent by replacing the supplied Silver XLR cables with Silver RCAs but I still could not get any emotional involvement at volumes below 55-60 so was still not satisfied.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago, my LP12 had a trip to Peter's and was fitted with a Keel (replacing Kore) and Ekos SE/1 (replacing Ittok LvII) and, perhaps more importantly a full Peter re-build. Now, I'm finding I get full enjoyment and emotional involvement at volume 50 (not tried below that).

My point here is that, maybe, your speaker upgrade is now showing up "shortcomings" further up the chain that weren't being demonstrated previously?

[timster]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

My tale (not Kudos related but bear with me) - a couple of years back I came into some money and treated myself to an amp upgrade. I purchased a pair of Klimax Solos and a Klimax Kontrol pre-amp to replace some (lovely warm sounding Arcam amps). My initial thoughts were that they were great on detail but not emotionally involving. This was solved to some extent by replacing the supplied Silver XLR cables with Silver RCAs but I still could not get any emotional involvement at volumes below 55-60 so was still not satisfied.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago, my LP12 had a trip to Peter's and was fitted with a Keel (replacing Kore) and Ekos SE/1 (replacing Ittok LvII) and, perhaps more importantly a full Peter re-build. Now, I'm finding I get full enjoyment and emotional involvement at volume 50 (not tried below that).

My point here is that, maybe, your speaker upgrade is now showing up "shortcomings" further up the chain that weren't being demonstrated previously?

Which leads me to Organik... not an LP12/vinyl user (much) so can only be the Selekt/Katalyst Exaktbox, if your contention is correct...

[akamatsu]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

My tale (not Kudos related but bear with me) - a couple of years back I came into some money and treated myself to an amp upgrade. I purchased a pair of Klimax Solos and a Klimax Kontrol pre-amp to replace some (lovely warm sounding Arcam amps). My initial thoughts were that they were great on detail but not emotionally involving. This was solved to some extent by replacing the supplied Silver XLR cables with Silver RCAs but I still could not get any emotional involvement at volumes below 55-60 so was still not satisfied.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago, my LP12 had a trip to Peter's and was fitted with a Keel (replacing Kore) and Ekos SE/1 (replacing Ittok LvII) and, perhaps more importantly a full Peter re-build. Now, I'm finding I get full enjoyment and emotional involvement at volume 50 (not tried below that).

My point here is that, maybe, your speaker upgrade is now showing up "shortcomings" further up the chain that weren't being demonstrated previously?

I've found that speaker upgrades have minimal impact on sound quality compared to source upgrades which have a huge impact. I guess it's natural to think speakers since that's where the sound comes from. I've fallen into this trap before.

[timster]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

My tale (not Kudos related but bear with me) - a couple of years back I came into some money and treated myself to an amp upgrade. I purchased a pair of Klimax Solos and a Klimax Kontrol pre-amp to replace some (lovely warm sounding Arcam amps). My initial thoughts were that they were great on detail but not emotionally involving. This was solved to some extent by replacing the supplied Silver XLR cables with Silver RCAs but I still could not get any emotional involvement at volumes below 55-60 so was still not satisfied.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago, my LP12 had a trip to Peter's and was fitted with a Keel (replacing Kore) and Ekos SE/1 (replacing Ittok LvII) and, perhaps more importantly a full Peter re-build. Now, I'm finding I get full enjoyment and emotional involvement at volume 50 (not tried below that).

My point here is that, maybe, your speaker upgrade is now showing up "shortcomings" further up the chain that weren't being demonstrated previously?

I've found that speaker upgrades have minimal impact on sound quality compared to source upgrades which have a huge impact. I guess it's natural to think speakers since that's where the sound comes from. I've fallen into this trap before.

Yeah but. Surely speakers have a unique sound signature. May not be quality (although using some Goodmans may show up their awfulness) but I don't believe SQ is only in the source either.

[Andyt916]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

My tale (not Kudos related but bear with me) - a couple of years back I came into some money and treated myself to an amp upgrade. I purchased a pair of Klimax Solos and a Klimax Kontrol pre-amp to replace some (lovely warm sounding Arcam amps). My initial thoughts were that they were great on detail but not emotionally involving. This was solved to some extent by replacing the supplied Silver XLR cables with Silver RCAs but I still could not get any emotional involvement at volumes below 55-60 so was still not satisfied.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago, my LP12 had a trip to Peter's and was fitted with a Keel (replacing Kore) and Ekos SE/1 (replacing Ittok LvII) and, perhaps more importantly a full Peter re-build. Now, I'm finding I get full enjoyment and emotional involvement at volume 50 (not tried below that).

My point here is that, maybe, your speaker upgrade is now showing up "shortcomings" further up the chain that weren't being demonstrated previously?

I've found that speaker upgrades have minimal impact on sound quality compared to source upgrades which have a huge impact. I guess it's natural to think speakers since that's where the sound comes from. I've fallen into this trap before.

Probably my own fault for jumping in with Klimax amplification on an "Akurate" deck

[akamatsu]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

My tale (not Kudos related but bear with me) - a couple of years back I came into some money and treated myself to an amp upgrade. I purchased a pair of Klimax Solos and a Klimax Kontrol pre-amp to replace some (lovely warm sounding Arcam amps). My initial thoughts were that they were great on detail but not emotionally involving. This was solved to some extent by replacing the supplied Silver XLR cables with Silver RCAs but I still could not get any emotional involvement at volumes below 55-60 so was still not satisfied.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago, my LP12 had a trip to Peter's and was fitted with a Keel (replacing Kore) and Ekos SE/1 (replacing Ittok LvII) and, perhaps more importantly a full Peter re-build. Now, I'm finding I get full enjoyment and emotional involvement at volume 50 (not tried below that).

My point here is that, maybe, your speaker upgrade is now showing up "shortcomings" further up the chain that weren't being demonstrated previously?

I've found that speaker upgrades have minimal impact on sound quality compared to source upgrades which have a huge impact. I guess it's natural to think speakers since that's where the sound comes from. I've fallen into this trap before.

Probably my own fault for jumping in with Klimax amplification on an "Akurate" deck

A Klimax cased Radikal 2 should put things back in proper order.

[Andyt916]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

My tale (not Kudos related but bear with me) - a couple of years back I came into some money and treated myself to an amp upgrade. I purchased a pair of Klimax Solos and a Klimax Kontrol pre-amp to replace some (lovely warm sounding Arcam amps). My initial thoughts were that they were great on detail but not emotionally involving. This was solved to some extent by replacing the supplied Silver XLR cables with Silver RCAs but I still could not get any emotional involvement at volumes below 55-60 so was still not satisfied.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago, my LP12 had a trip to Peter's and was fitted with a Keel (replacing Kore) and Ekos SE/1 (replacing Ittok LvII) and, perhaps more importantly a full Peter re-build. Now, I'm finding I get full enjoyment and emotional involvement at volume 50 (not tried below that).

My point here is that, maybe, your speaker upgrade is now showing up "shortcomings" further up the chain that weren't being demonstrated previously?

I've found that speaker upgrades have minimal impact on sound quality compared to source upgrades which have a huge impact. I guess it's natural to think speakers since that's where the sound comes from. I've fallen into this trap before.

Probably my own fault for jumping in with Klimax amplification on an "Akurate" deck

A Klimax cased Radikal 2 should put things back in proper order.

[Wenge1]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

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I have never experienced anything like the troubles you have described with the mids with my Super 20A's. In fact, with the right amp/amps, they have been trouble free.

[Coyote Jim]

Three weeks in and after sorting out some mid range troubles all is great.

I wonder if any other Super20s owners can confirm my experience with the mids being hard to get sounding right? It seems a particular tone/timbre they have difficulties with. Sorted with some treble attenuation and increase in bass.

I mentioned them being harder to drive. My new more powerful amp has meant listening levels are now what they were before,cdo that's good. Emotional engagement though - oddly at lower volumes not so much as before. The Kudos really do seem to shine above 55 though. Under that and they struggle. 

Just some observations

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I have never experienced anything like the troubles you have described with the mids with my Super 20A's. In fact, with the right amp/amps, they have been trouble free.

What he said including my Kudos X-3s
Keep it simple and remove all the filtration variables.
They all fight against each other.
Too many Kooks.

[timster]

Of course there is an outside chance it's my new cables, Linn Silvers and KS-1....

Or the weather....

Or my mood...

[evil_C]

Over the weekend I moved the speaker cable from the upper sockets, where they’ve been since originally being set up, to the lower sockets on my 808s. This also required the link wires to be turned round (these are VERY noticeably directional). The reason I thought I’d try this is simply because it’s how it’s shown in the instruction leaflet for the speakers - speaker cables going to the lower unit with link wires going to the upper. The result was a noticeable difference, which I’m currently preferring.

[Dan Steel]

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My X3’s looking and sounding splendid

[Coyote Jim]

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Mine too.


Kudos X3

[Coyote Jim]

Over the weekend I moved the speaker cable from the upper sockets, where they’ve been since originally being set up, to the lower sockets on my 808s. This also required the link wires to be turned round (these are VERY noticeably directional). The reason I thought I’d try this is simply because it’s how it’s shown in the instruction leaflet for the speakers - speaker cables going to the lower unit with link wires going to the upper. The result was a noticeable difference, which I’m currently preferring.

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Hi Clive just a thought but following the diagonal wiring system that equates the current flow and path equally round the whole circuit I’ve always diagonally wired with link plates “ leads ‘ in place.
Positive the uppermost frequency and Negative to the lowermost frequency driver.

[Mr Onion]

Hi Clive just a thought but following the diagonal wiring system that equates the current flow and path equally round the whole circuit I’ve always diagonally wired with link plates “ leads ‘ in place.
Positive the uppermost frequency and Negative to the lowermost frequency driver.

Likewise. I always wired my Keilidh's that way

[evil_C]

Over the weekend I moved the speaker cable from the upper sockets, where they’ve been since originally being set up, to the lower sockets on my 808s. This also required the link wires to be turned round (these are VERY noticeably directional). The reason I thought I’d try this is simply because it’s how it’s shown in the instruction leaflet for the speakers - speaker cables going to the lower unit with link wires going to the upper. The result was a noticeable difference, which I’m currently preferring.

Hi Clive just a thought but following the diagonal wiring system that equates the current flow and path equally round the whole circuit I’ve always diagonally wired with link plates “ leads ‘ in place.
Positive the uppermost frequency and Negative to the lowermost frequency driver.

If I were using KS-1, I would try that. However, I can’t do that with SuperLumina cables.

[Zee9]

This is the nicest veneer I’ve seen on a pair of s20a’s. I forget who the gentleman was but remember he agreed to buy the speakers (dealers demo) only if it was that veneer.