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Thanks very much for the welcome and the helpful comments! I have been offered a most excellent deal on the K + K and particularly in the light comments from of ex Tq enjoyers I phoned Loud and Clear Glasgow, to reserve the K and K. I had noticed that you Vincent seemed to hear what I heard with the Tq in an earlier post. But travel restrictions mean it may be some time before I go on the 200 mile round trip to get the happy work done. Don’t mind waiting since my deck sounds great already! Cheers guys and thanks again for the help.
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Fruitbox wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:50 pm Thanks very much for the welcome and the helpful comments! I have been offered a most excellent deal on the K + K and particularly in the light comments from of ex Tq enjoyers I phoned Loud and Clear Glasgow, to reserve the K and K. I had noticed that you Vincent seemed to hear what I heard with the Tq in an earlier post. But travel restrictions mean it may be some time before I go on the 200 mile round trip to get the happy work done. Don’t mind waiting since my deck sounds great already! Cheers guys and thanks again for the help.
Having been told I don't have to worry about this anymore, I'm still interested in what the Tq was doing to improve the Cirkus, and whether an appropriately implemented magnetic levitation design might similarly benefit the Karousel. Also what Linn thought of the Tq. :smt017
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Fruitbox wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:50 pm Thanks very much for the welcome and the helpful comments! I have been offered a most excellent deal on the K + K and particularly in the light comments from of ex Tq enjoyers I phoned Loud and Clear Glasgow, to reserve the K and K. I had noticed that you Vincent seemed to hear what I heard with the Tq in an earlier post. But travel restrictions mean it may be some time before I go on the 200 mile round trip to get the happy work done. Don’t mind waiting since my deck sounds great already! Cheers guys and thanks again for the help.
Hi Bruce, I went from a Rubikon/Tranquility to a Keel + Karousel a few months ago and so it's exactly what you are contemplating - there is write up about this earlier in this thread. The short version is get it as soon you can mate - you wont regret it at all ..... :smt023
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I was planning to put the Cirkus from my main deck into my study deck, but the difference that the Karousel makes is so profound that I’ve decided that the study needs a Karousel too :smt023
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Red Chris wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:47 pm I was planning to put the Cirkus from my main deck into my study deck, but the difference that the Karousel makes is so profound that I’ve decided that the study needs a Karousel too :smt023
Yes you could sell your Cirkus on and bang the cash off the Karousel. :smt023
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Or you could knock the top of the spindle off, invert it and there you have it - the Linn ashtray!

That’s what the Linn technician did to my pre-Cirkus inner platter :shock:
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evil_C wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:45 am Or you could knock the top of the spindle off, invert it and there you have it - the Linn ashtray!

That’s what the Linn technician did to my pre-Cirkus inner platter :shock:
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dan steel wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:59 am
evil_C wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:45 am Or you could knock the top of the spindle off, invert it and there you have it - the Linn ashtray!

That’s what the Linn technician did to my pre-Cirkus inner platter :shock:
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I've seen a couple of old hubs with the short spindle knocked off and used as a fruit bowl.
Cool metal and leaning bananas. :oops: :shock:
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Coyote Jim wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:21 am Cool metal and leaning bananas. :oops: :shock:
Sounds like a logo you have on the outside of your underpants Jim .............. :smt005
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And here we have the second part of the Linn offer. I’ve tried to capture the ‘free’ Karousel bearing and the enabling Kandid in one shot:

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Yesterday afternoon, in pretty lousy driving conditions, I took the Aro for another trip up the Fosse Way to Cymbiosis to have the Kandid installed. It seemed pointless taking my turntable back as well just to have the height of the arm pillar adjusted to suit the new (taller) cartridge, since it had been set up just a week previously when the Karousel was installed. Peter gave me an extended lesson in setting the pillar height, as well as other general Aro set-up tips, so I could do it myself at home.

Below I show a couple of photos taken by Peter yesterday of the Kandid installation and how he managed to fit the four flying leads from the cartridge, together with the arm leads and connector pins in the small space between the rear of the cartridge and the front end of the arm tube. Neat job!

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The Kandid is rather good, isn’t it?!
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evil_C wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:41 am And here we have the second part of the Linn offer. I’ve tried to capture the ‘free’ Karousel bearing and the enabling Kandid in one shot:

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Yesterday afternoon, in pretty lousy driving conditions, I took the Aro for another trip up the Fosse Way to Cymbiosis to have the Kandid installed. It seemed pointless taking my turntable back as well just to have the height of the arm pillar adjusted to suit the new (taller) cartridge, since it had been set up just a week previously when the Karousel was installed. Peter gave me an extended lesson in setting the pillar height, as well as other general Aro set-up tips, so I could do it myself at home.

Below I show a couple of photos taken by Peter yesterday of the Kandid installation and how he managed to fit the four flying leads from the cartridge, together with the arm leads and connector pins in the small space between the rear of the cartridge and the front end of the arm tube. Neat job!

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The Kandid is rather good, isn’t it?!
Love the pics Clive - and yes the Kandid is indeed 'rather good' - love the understatement from you .............. :smt036
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Nice shot. Enjoy your freebee :mrg:
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Great pictures and good to know the Kandid is rather good. I am interested to see what adjective(s) will most suit my forthcoming Karousel/Keel change from current Rubikon/Cirkus/Tq.... ‘slightly better’ ‘not bad’ ‘disappointing’ 🤔
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Fruitbox wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:25 pm Great pictures and good to know the Kandid is rather good. I am interested to see what adjective(s) will most suit my forthcoming Karousel/Keel change from current Rubikon/Cirkus/Tq.... ‘slightly better’ ‘not bad’ ‘disappointing’ 🤔
None of those I think ............ :smt018
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Great photos Clive, I hope it lives up to your liking... enjoy the music. :smt023
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dan steel wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:41 pm Great photos Clive, I hope it lives up to your liking... enjoy the music. :smt023
Haven’t had chance to play it today, sadly. But I wouldn’t want to wear it out too quickly!
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Great picture and congrats mate that must bring the deck well on song.
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It's just over two months since I had the Karousel and Kandid upgrades and I reckon I've used the LP12 for somewhere around thirty hours since, but I am beginning to wonder if my initial enthusiasm for the pair was more about expectation of what it ought to be able to do, than what it actually delivers. Most of the time my LP12 sits idle, being used perhaps once a fortnight, if that. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but what do others find? Do you honestly find the Karousel lifts the performance? Has it made you want to play more records?
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Funnily enough when I was playing the Clifford T Ward this morning I thought how much better the Karousel is making it sound, and yes I want to use the LP12 more than my body is allowing me to. Even Mrs O has commented, so it can't just be my expectations.

I assume that you have tweaked the Tacking Force and Bias to see what changes they give (IIRC the Kandid is a bit sensitive when it comes to those)
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Mr Onion wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:00 pm Funnily enough when I was playing the Clifford T Ward this morning I thought how much better the Karousel is making it sound, and yes I want to use the LP12 more than my body is allowing me to. Even Mrs O has commented, so it can't just be my expectations.

I assume that you have tweaked the Tacking Force and Bias to see what changes they give (IIRC the Kandid is a bit sensitive when it comes to those)
That’s an interesting thought, James. I’ll get tweaking again. I have already described on another thread the issue about centre of gravity movement and balancing the Aro, but I shall have to bite the bullet and have another go. I think I’m currently tracking with a ‘measured’ force of 1.9mN.
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evil_C wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:56 pm It's just over two months since I had the Karousel and Kandid upgrades and I reckon I've used the LP12 for somewhere around thirty hours since, but I am beginning to wonder if my initial enthusiasm for the pair was more about expectation of what it ought to be able to do, than what it actually delivers. Most of the time my LP12 sits idle, being used perhaps once a fortnight, if that. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but what do others find? Do you honestly find the Karousel lifts the performance? Has it made you want to play more records?
That doesn't seem right at all. I can honestly say that the Karousel has brought a bigger performance improvement to my LP12 than any other upgrade over many years. My dealer down here in Brighton, who has fitted many, says that feedback from customers is highly positive at all spec levels. I'm playing more LPs than ever, including records I have neglected until now because I thought the pressing/recording not good enough. Maybe something to do with having to adjust to the effects of two upgrades at the same time? I doubt it though. If the improvement is not significant, I would get back to your dealer.
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vincent wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:09 pm
evil_C wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:56 pm It's just over two months since I had the Karousel and Kandid upgrades and I reckon I've used the LP12 for somewhere around thirty hours since, but I am beginning to wonder if my initial enthusiasm for the pair was more about expectation of what it ought to be able to do, than what it actually delivers. Most of the time my LP12 sits idle, being used perhaps once a fortnight, if that. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but what do others find? Do you honestly find the Karousel lifts the performance? Has it made you want to play more records?
That doesn't seem right at all. I can honestly say that the Karousel has brought a bigger performance improvement to my LP12 than any other upgrade over many years. My dealer down here in Brighton, who has fitted many, says that feedback from customers is highly positive at all spec levels. I'm playing more LPs than ever, including records I have neglected until now because I thought the pressing/recording not good enough. Maybe something to do with having to adjust to the effects of two upgrades at the same time? I doubt it though. If the improvement is not significant, I would get back to your dealer.
Totally agree and I’m buying more albums as well, which is a good thing as it’s keeping my figure in trim as I have to get up off my arse to turn them over. 8)
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There can't have been more than one day that I haven't used my LP12 since getting the Karousel installed, but that day I used my study deck 8)
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dan steel wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:11 pm
vincent wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:09 pm
evil_C wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:56 pm It's just over two months since I had the Karousel and Kandid upgrades and I reckon I've used the LP12 for somewhere around thirty hours since, but I am beginning to wonder if my initial enthusiasm for the pair was more about expectation of what it ought to be able to do, than what it actually delivers. Most of the time my LP12 sits idle, being used perhaps once a fortnight, if that. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but what do others find? Do you honestly find the Karousel lifts the performance? Has it made you want to play more records?
That doesn't seem right at all. I can honestly say that the Karousel has brought a bigger performance improvement to my LP12 than any other upgrade over many years. My dealer down here in Brighton, who has fitted many, says that feedback from customers is highly positive at all spec levels. I'm playing more LPs than ever, including records I have neglected until now because I thought the pressing/recording not good enough. Maybe something to do with having to adjust to the effects of two upgrades at the same time? I doubt it though. If the improvement is not significant, I would get back to your dealer.
Totally agree and I’m buying more albums as well, which is a good thing as it’s keeping my figure in trim as I have to get up off my arse to turn them over. 8)
I completely agree as well - I'm using my LP12 basically just about everyday and loving the Karousel (and the Kandid for that matter). I could use my LP12 everyday but for the fact that time does always allow for this.
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I’ve been thinking about what James said about how sensitive the Kandid is to tracking force. I think it likely that I might have been tracking with too high a force. The quoted range for the Kandid is 16.9-17.4mN (1.72-1.77g) and I had previously set the tracking force at 18.0mN to compensate for the fact that the level of the scale is higher than would be so for a record. I’ve now tweaked the tracking force down to 17.3mN (1.76g) at the level of the scales and am having another go. It’s surprising what difference a small reduction has on the performance of the Kandid. It sounds OK at the moment - I’m currently playing the AAM / Hogwood album which I posted on the What Are You Listening To thread.
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