evil_C wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:27 am
I’ve now tweaked the tracking force down to 17.3mN (1.76g) at the level of the scales and am having another go. It’s surprising what difference a small reduction has on the performance of the Kandid. It sounds OK at the moment
If you're not bowled over by the improvement (i.e. more enthusiastic than 'It sounds OK') I think something is not right. Checking back on your earlier posts, you said there was a week between fitting of the Karousel and the Kandid. What was your impression listening to the new bearing with your previous cartridge in the intervening period? The answer to this question might help narrow down where the problem lies.
p.s. I don't know whether you are using a Radikal. My cautionary tale if you are: I ordered a new outer platter which I collected from my dealer at the same time as the Karouselled deck. In the excitement of setting up at home, I forgot to stick the felt pad to the inside of the new platter. Of course the sound was underwhelming. After fitting the pad, it took a while for the Radikal to re-clock. Only then was improvement obvious.
Good luck!
LP12 (Tiger Paw Stratos, sKale; Karousel, Keel, KRadikal, Ekos SE, Exakt 2, Lyra Etna SL); Klimax NG DSM; Exakt Katalyst Akubariks.
Thanks for your comments, Vincent. Yes I do use a Radikal and I use the same outer platter as before, so no issue like you found. The build is: Woodsong Wenge plinth, Tangerine Karmen top plate, Keel/A, Karousel, K-Radikal, Urika, Aro, Kandid, Chord SSA.
In the week when I had the Karousel but not the Kandid, that too sounded OK. I cannot say I was aware of much difference from the Cirkus bearing, but I certainly heard a difference between the bearings when they were demonstrated on two demo decks side by side at Cymbiosis. I find it hard to remember what it sounded like before either the bearing change or the cartridge change as I really don’t use it that much. It certainly didn’t sound bad before, it’s just that the bearing was ~25 years old, so it was a welcome opportunity to change. Having adjusted the tracking force yesterday, I’ll have to see if that lifts the performance closer to that of the streamer and makes me more inclined to use it
evil_C wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:03 pm
Having adjusted the tracking force yesterday, I’ll have to see if that lifts the performance closer to that of the streamer and makes me more inclined to use it
Without wishing to get into the analog v digital debate, I can only say that the Karouselled LP12 outperforms the streamer in my system by a considerable margin. The streamer is very good, but the LP12 delivers something qualitatively better. So I really wouldn't let it rest if not completely happy with the upgrades. (You might check your inner platter to make sure the felt pad is in place – maybe worth re-setting the Radikal at the same time!)
LP12 (Tiger Paw Stratos, sKale; Karousel, Keel, KRadikal, Ekos SE, Exakt 2, Lyra Etna SL); Klimax NG DSM; Exakt Katalyst Akubariks.
Peter at Cymbiosis fitted my LP12 with a Karousel today.
All I can say is that it blows my previus Cirkus / Tiger Paw Tranquillity combo out of the water, and it's not run in yet!
AWESOME!
Linn LP12 / Karousel / Keel / Radikal / Trampolin II / Ekos / Krystal / Silver T-Kable / Collaro Audio mat / Linto / Kairn III / 2x Linn 2250s / Bi-amping Celestion 600 Si on K400 / Original Foundation speaker stands. Also Karik III / Numerik, and Kremlin. All sitting on Söund Örganisatiön shelves (2) and tables (4). Okki Nokki RCM.
Linn LP12 / Karousel / Keel / Radikal / Trampolin II / Ekos / Krystal / Silver T-Kable / Collaro Audio mat / Linto / Kairn III / 2x Linn 2250s / Bi-amping Celestion 600 Si on K400 / Original Foundation speaker stands. Also Karik III / Numerik, and Kremlin. All sitting on Söund Örganisatiön shelves (2) and tables (4). Okki Nokki RCM.
Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20's
Linn LP12 / Karousel / Keel / Radikal / Trampolin II / Ekos / Krystal / Silver T-Kable / Collaro Audio mat / Linto / Kairn III / 2x Linn 2250s / Bi-amping Celestion 600 Si on K400 / Original Foundation speaker stands. Also Karik III / Numerik, and Kremlin. All sitting on Söund Örganisatiön shelves (2) and tables (4). Okki Nokki RCM.
evil_C wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:53 am
One thing I noticed with the Karousel is just how much longer the platter continues spinning after switching off.
Ain't that the truth.
LP12 - Klimax Radikal 2/Urika, Harban Plinth, Karousel, Keel, Karmen, Ekos SE, Skale, Lyra Atlas
CD Players - Roksan Caspian M2 CD Player, dCS Puccini CD Player + Scarlatti Master Clock
Amps - KK/1(D), Klimax Twin (D)
Speakers - Kudos S20 A's in Santos Rosewood
Cables - Linn Silver RCA & K200 speaker cable
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Had a Karousel fitted along with the Radikal upgrade last week by my dealer after a home dem and I am very pleased.
I have one question which I am going back to my dealer about in that if you listen very very carefully, with my ear literally on the deck, I can hear a very slight ‘rotation’ noise that may be from the bearing or the motor or even the belt or …..
Can anyone else with Karousel or Radikal upgrade hear anything like I am describing?
It is, I emphasise, very very quiet and cannot be heard without your ear to the deck. And, it’s not the normal start up noise I am referring to which is fine.
Richard
"When the music's over, Turn out the lights"
Linn LP12-Naim-B&W
All totally silent here until my ear touches the platter.
Try process of elimination drop the belt and try again if the noise is there it’s the motor now spin the platter without the belt and that will discount the bearing but if only with the belt on then something needs fettled.
Turntable - Linn LP12, Karousel, Keel, Ekos SE/1, Kandid, K-Radikal 2, Urika.
Amplifier - Naim Supernait 3
CD Player - Naim CD5si
Speakers - Kudos X3
Cables- Kudos KS-1 Speaker Cable, Linn Silver Interconnects
Support - Target TT4.
Coyote Jim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:10 pm
All totally silent here until my ear touches the platter.
Try process of elimination drop the belt and try again if the noise is there it’s the motor now spin the platter without the belt and that will discount the bearing but if only with the belt on then something needs fettled.
Good idea, will try and report back,
Many thanks,
Richard
"When the music's over, Turn out the lights"
Linn LP12-Naim-B&W
Coyote Jim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:10 pm
All totally silent here until my ear touches the platter.
Try process of elimination drop the belt and try again if the noise is there it’s the motor now spin the platter without the belt and that will discount the bearing but if only with the belt on then something needs fettled.
Good idea, will try and report back,
Many thanks,
Richard
If you only get the noise with the belt on then turn your outer platter upside down to see what’s going on.
Turntable - Linn LP12, Karousel, Keel, Ekos SE/1, Kandid, K-Radikal 2, Urika.
Amplifier - Naim Supernait 3
CD Player - Naim CD5si
Speakers - Kudos X3
Cables- Kudos KS-1 Speaker Cable, Linn Silver Interconnects
Support - Target TT4.
So, not surprisingly with the outer platter off I can hear the sound slightly louder.
Interestingly with the belt off I still get the faint sound. So the issue is not to do with the bearing but probably the replacement motor or the belt. I guess it could be to do with the actual installation of the motor but I would be surprised as the guy who installed it has done 70+ installations of such, with whom I have total respect and would not trust my LP12 with anyone else so highly unlikely.
Anyway, will get back in touch with my dealer when the shop is open.
Thanks again,
Richard
"When the music's over, Turn out the lights"
Linn LP12-Naim-B&W
You shouldn’t run the motor with the platter off and belt installed as the suspension is not in the position it would be with it on.
Follow the steps I mentioned remove the platter and the belt and start the motor that might be the sound.
If silent then put the platter on and not the belt and turn manually if silent then put the belt back on and the platter upside down to settle the suspension then investigate again.
Mine is silent even with nothing on and ear to plinth.
Turntable - Linn LP12, Karousel, Keel, Ekos SE/1, Kandid, K-Radikal 2, Urika.
Amplifier - Naim Supernait 3
CD Player - Naim CD5si
Speakers - Kudos X3
Cables- Kudos KS-1 Speaker Cable, Linn Silver Interconnects
Support - Target TT4.
Coyote Jim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 7:55 pm
You shouldn’t run the motor with the platter off and belt installed as the suspension is not in the position it would be with it on.
Follow the steps I mentioned remove the platter and the belt and start the motor that might be the sound.
If silent then put the platter on and not the belt and turn manually if silent then put the belt back on and the platter upside down to settle the suspension then investigate again.
Mine is silent even with nothing on and ear to plinth.
Thanks, as per your steps and my test with the platter on and the belt off I still got the faint sound hence why I suspect it is related to the motor and/or possibly the belt.
But what is more interesting to me is your comment that yours is " silent even with nothing on and ear to plinth" which I wanted to find out from other users so thanks.
Anyway, next step is a call to my dealer, when their shop is open, and I imagine he will pop round to check it out after listening to one or two at his place.
Thanks once again,
Richard
"When the music's over, Turn out the lights"
Linn LP12-Naim-B&W
Coyote Jim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 7:55 pm
You shouldn’t run the motor with the platter off and belt installed as the suspension is not in the position it would be with it on.
Follow the steps I mentioned remove the platter and the belt and start the motor that might be the sound.
If silent then put the platter on and not the belt and turn manually if silent then put the belt back on and the platter upside down to settle the suspension then investigate again.
Mine is silent even with nothing on and ear to plinth.
Thanks, as per your steps and my test with the platter on and the belt off I still got the faint sound hence why I suspect it is related to the motor and/or possibly the belt.
But what is more interesting to me is your comment that yours is " silent even with nothing on and ear to plinth" which I wanted to find out from other users so thanks.
Anyway, next step is a call to my dealer, when their shop is open, and I imagine he will pop round to check it out after listening to one or two at his place.
Thanks once again,
Richard
You say you still get the noise with the platter ON and the belt OFF, but suspect it’s related to the motor or the belt. Surely it can’t be down to the belt if it’s off? If you remove the belt, invert the outer platter and spin the platter manually, do you still get the noise? If so it’s the bearing. If you switch the motor on with the belt off and still get the noise, it’s the motor. If these tests are both silent, but you only get the noise when the belt is connected and the and the platter is being driven by the motor, it’s either the belt or an alignment issue. You can check alignment by running it with outer platter inverted.
Yeah you're right, my mistake and I don't know why I said that as it can't be anything to do with the belt or the bearing for that matter!
Latest situation, before I call my trusted dealer, is that it is very quite but still can be heard with my ear against the plinth and sometimes an inch or two above the deck. Sometimes its slightly louder other times hardly discernible at all.
Just for info, I have had the deck on and rotating for a couple of days which did not seem to make much difference.
Richard
"When the music's over, Turn out the lights"
Linn LP12-Naim-B&W
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