Tasting the "Dark Side"

The place to chat about everything else
User avatar
Mr Onion
Site Moderator
Posts: 10222
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:13 pm
Location: Between two Super 20's

Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Mr Onion »


PARENTAL ADVICE WARNING
Contains information of a shocking nature

I am fed up of having to run a cable from the Laptop to the PreAmp each time I watch a live Bandcamp/Patreon gig. Its untidy and a right royal faff to do.

What did I decide? After some research and reading reviews I decided to be a cheapskate and go for one of these to give it a try

bluetooth.jpg


Linky Thingie

Guess what? It sound far better than one might expect for £35. The sound is very digital BUT (and heres the big thing) its very easy to hear the difference between the source files. mp3's generally sound crap except for the very high bitrates which sound OK. FLAC is acceptable and WAV obviously the best of the bunch. If its that easy then its doing something right. Mrs O agrees with me not knowing what the source was, its that transparent.

The sound is a bit bright (maybe it will settle with running in, or perhaps its the SMPS wall wart PS) but its fine for casual listening and no worse then the mini jack lead I was using before.

So there you are, I'll book my padded cell now.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
James


Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20A's
User avatar
Coyote Jim
Site Moderator
Posts: 13681
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:18 pm
Location: "In The Groove"

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Coyote Jim »

Mr Onion wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:37 pm
PARENTAL ADVICE WARNING
Contains information of a shocking nature

I am fed up of having to run a cable from the Laptop to the PreAmp each time I watch a live Bandcamp/Patreon gig. Its untidy and a right royal faff to do.

What did I decide? After some research and reading reviews I decided to be a cheapskate and go for one of these to give it a try


Image


Guess what? It sound far better than one might expect for £35. The sound is very digital BUT (and heres the big thing) its very easy to hear the difference between the source files. mp3's generally sound crap except for the very high bitrates which sound OK. FLAC is acceptable and WAV obviously the best of the bunch. If its that easy then its doing something right. Mrs O agrees with me not knowing what the source was, its that transparent.

The sound is a bit bright (maybe it will settle with running in, or perhaps its the SMPS wall wart PS) but its fine for casual listening and no worse then the mini jack lead I was using before.

So there you are, I'll book my padded cell now.
:smt017
I don’t even know what it is. :oops:
Turntable - Linn LP12, Karousel, Keel, Ekos SE/1, Kandid, K-Radikal 2, Urika.
Amplifier - Naim Supernait 3
CD Player - Naim CD5si
Speakers - Kudos X3
Cables- Kudos KS-1 Speaker Cable, Linn Silver Interconnects
Support - Target TT4.
User avatar
Mr Onion
Site Moderator
Posts: 10222
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:13 pm
Location: Between two Super 20's

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Mr Onion »

Coyote Jim wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:58 pm I don’t even know what it is. :oops:
Bluetooth Audio Receiver that links to the laptop. Handshake the two together and any sound played on the laptop broadcast to the receiver.

Linky Thingie (also added to first post)
James


Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20A's
User avatar
Coyote Jim
Site Moderator
Posts: 13681
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:18 pm
Location: "In The Groove"

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Coyote Jim »

Mr Onion wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:01 pm
Coyote Jim wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:58 pm I don’t even know what it is. :oops:
Bluetooth Audio Receiver that links to the laptop. Handshake the two together and any sound played on the laptop broadcast to the receiver.

Linky Thingie (also added to first post)
I thought I was on the dark side having an iPod touch on a dock connected with silvers. :oops:
But you wireless. :smt018
Turntable - Linn LP12, Karousel, Keel, Ekos SE/1, Kandid, K-Radikal 2, Urika.
Amplifier - Naim Supernait 3
CD Player - Naim CD5si
Speakers - Kudos X3
Cables- Kudos KS-1 Speaker Cable, Linn Silver Interconnects
Support - Target TT4.
User avatar
Mr Onion
Site Moderator
Posts: 10222
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:13 pm
Location: Between two Super 20's

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Mr Onion »

Coyote Jim wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:22 pm But you wireless. :smt018
I am suitably ashamed :oops:
James


Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20A's
User avatar
LD100
Full Member
Posts: 890
Joined: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:57 am
Location: Chicago, Illinois USA

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by LD100 »

I've always had good results with Logitech equipment...I am using their mouse and their wireless keyboard as we speak. :smt023
Original 1978 Fluted Afromosia LP12, Ekos 2, Lyra Kleos SL and lots of other stuff from the 70's that still work fine.
User avatar
Mr Onion
Site Moderator
Posts: 10222
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:13 pm
Location: Between two Super 20's

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Mr Onion »

LD100 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:40 pm I've always had good results with Logitech equipment
Me too, and that was one of the deciding factors.
James


Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20A's
User avatar
Wenge1
Full Member
Posts: 11711
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:26 pm

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Wenge1 »

Mr Onion wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:24 pm
Coyote Jim wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:22 pm But you wireless. :smt018
I am suitably ashamed :oops:
Now where is my pitchfork and burning torch? As I must go and find the Witch Finder General :smt018 :smt018 :smt018
LP12 - Klimax Radikal 2/Urika, Harban Plinth, Karousel, Keel, Karmen, Ekos SE, Skale, Lyra Atlas
CD Players - Roksan Caspian M2 CD Player, dCS Puccini CD Player + Scarlatti Master Clock
Amp - Chord Ultima Integrated
Speakers - Kudos S20 A's in Santos Rosewood
Cables - Linn Silver RCA & K200 speaker cable
.
User avatar
Coyote Jim
Site Moderator
Posts: 13681
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:18 pm
Location: "In The Groove"

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Coyote Jim »

Wenge1 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:30 pm
Mr Onion wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:24 pm
Coyote Jim wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:22 pm But you wireless. :smt018
I am suitably ashamed :oops:
Now where is my pitchfork and burning torch? As I must go and find the Witch Finder General :smt018 :smt018 :smt018
Image
The next name on my list is James Onion. :smt036
Turntable - Linn LP12, Karousel, Keel, Ekos SE/1, Kandid, K-Radikal 2, Urika.
Amplifier - Naim Supernait 3
CD Player - Naim CD5si
Speakers - Kudos X3
Cables- Kudos KS-1 Speaker Cable, Linn Silver Interconnects
Support - Target TT4.
User avatar
Mr Onion
Site Moderator
Posts: 10222
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:13 pm
Location: Between two Super 20's

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Mr Onion »

*wonders if there is time to build a Priests Hole to hide in*
James


Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20A's
User avatar
Lanark
Full Member
Posts: 60
Joined: Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:21 pm

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Lanark »

I wonder how it compares to an Apple Airport Express? (which does much the same thing)
Turntable - Fluted Walnut LP12, Cirkus, Kore, trampolin, Ittok LVII, Lingo 4, Krystal.
Amplifier - Arcam A32.
Speakers - Spendor S-3/5.
CD Player - Linn Genki.
Tuner - Quad FM 4 (with output stage mod.)
Cables - Naim NAC A4.
Support - Sound Organisation.
User avatar
Mr Onion
Site Moderator
Posts: 10222
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:13 pm
Location: Between two Super 20's

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Mr Onion »

It would be an interesting comparison, but as I don't own an Apple Airport Express* ...


*nor do I know anyone local that does
James


Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20A's
User avatar
Mr Onion
Site Moderator
Posts: 10222
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:13 pm
Location: Between two Super 20's

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Mr Onion »

10 days in of 24/7 power and occasional use/testing.

Well, if you had told me that it cost 10x what it did I would not be surprised. No its not as good as the CD 5si let alone the LP12 (and nor did I expect it to be) but its good, assuming that the source is good. Very lossy MP3's sound terrible, 320's sound not too bad, FLAC's are OK and WAV's the best (so exactly the same as it was from turn on) but the overall sound is not at all bad. Limited bandwidth at the lower end and a bit flat overall, but it doesn't offend the ears on non critical listening. Most errors are that of omission and I can live with that for the purpose I bought it for.

The shrill/harshness has gone (so it needs burning in) and will probably benefit from a better power supply, but its not worth going too mad on a £35 item. Maybe I'll knock up a 5v linear supply for it, I should have most bits knocking around the odds and sods box if I can be bothered to find them.

Oh, and dump the cheapo interconnect that comes with it. It deserves (and benefits) from something better. I had some Kimber PBJ lying around which I made into an interconnect and even without any burning in its an obvious improvement.

You need to be careful about positioning as there is no external aerial, so although its small enough to tuck out of sight maybe behind the Power Amp is not the best place (lots of dropouts due to the shielding effect of the Power Amps bulk)

£35? Absolute bargain.
James


Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20A's
User avatar
Wenge1
Full Member
Posts: 11711
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:26 pm

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Wenge1 »

.
What has happened to you 'Luke' ......... :evil:

'Tis but the end of the thin wedge embarked upon you have'

Image
LP12 - Klimax Radikal 2/Urika, Harban Plinth, Karousel, Keel, Karmen, Ekos SE, Skale, Lyra Atlas
CD Players - Roksan Caspian M2 CD Player, dCS Puccini CD Player + Scarlatti Master Clock
Amp - Chord Ultima Integrated
Speakers - Kudos S20 A's in Santos Rosewood
Cables - Linn Silver RCA & K200 speaker cable
.
User avatar
Mr Onion
Site Moderator
Posts: 10222
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:13 pm
Location: Between two Super 20's

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Mr Onion »

Wenge1 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:24 pm .
What has happened to you 'Luke' ......... :evil:

'Tis but the end of the thin Wenge embarked upon you have'
:p

Don't worry, I still play LPs (and CD's) when I really want to listen. I can't be arsed with all this music server malarkey anyway.

Plus I'll miss out on all the fun of trying to find where I misfiled the LP I want to play :roll:
James


Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20A's
User avatar
Wenge1
Full Member
Posts: 11711
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:26 pm

Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

Post by Wenge1 »

Mr Onion wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:16 pm
Wenge1 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:24 pm .
What has happened to you 'Luke' ......... :evil:

'Tis but the end of the thin Wenge embarked upon you have'
:p

Don't worry, I still play LPs (and CD's) when I really want to listen. I can't be arsed with all this music server malarkey anyway.

Plus I'll miss out on all the fun of trying to find where I misfiled the LP I want to play :roll:
Aye, for me a music server is the great lad who runs the local vinyl and cd shop ............ :smt036
LP12 - Klimax Radikal 2/Urika, Harban Plinth, Karousel, Keel, Karmen, Ekos SE, Skale, Lyra Atlas
CD Players - Roksan Caspian M2 CD Player, dCS Puccini CD Player + Scarlatti Master Clock
Amp - Chord Ultima Integrated
Speakers - Kudos S20 A's in Santos Rosewood
Cables - Linn Silver RCA & K200 speaker cable
.
HiFi Kabin : Disclaimer