Tasting the "Dark Side"
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Tasting the "Dark Side"
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I am fed up of having to run a cable from the Laptop to the PreAmp each time I watch a live Bandcamp/Patreon gig. Its untidy and a right royal faff to do.
What did I decide? After some research and reading reviews I decided to be a cheapskate and go for one of these to give it a try
Linky Thingie
Guess what? It sound far better than one might expect for £35. The sound is very digital BUT (and heres the big thing) its very easy to hear the difference between the source files. mp3's generally sound crap except for the very high bitrates which sound OK. FLAC is acceptable and WAV obviously the best of the bunch. If its that easy then its doing something right. Mrs O agrees with me not knowing what the source was, its that transparent.
The sound is a bit bright (maybe it will settle with running in, or perhaps its the SMPS wall wart PS) but its fine for casual listening and no worse then the mini jack lead I was using before.
So there you are, I'll book my padded cell now.
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
Mr Onion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:37 pm
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I am fed up of having to run a cable from the Laptop to the PreAmp each time I watch a live Bandcamp/Patreon gig. Its untidy and a right royal faff to do.
What did I decide? After some research and reading reviews I decided to be a cheapskate and go for one of these to give it a try
Guess what? It sound far better than one might expect for £35. The sound is very digital BUT (and heres the big thing) its very easy to hear the difference between the source files. mp3's generally sound crap except for the very high bitrates which sound OK. FLAC is acceptable and WAV obviously the best of the bunch. If its that easy then its doing something right. Mrs O agrees with me not knowing what the source was, its that transparent.
The sound is a bit bright (maybe it will settle with running in, or perhaps its the SMPS wall wart PS) but its fine for casual listening and no worse then the mini jack lead I was using before.
So there you are, I'll book my padded cell now.

I don’t even know what it is.

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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
Bluetooth Audio Receiver that links to the laptop. Handshake the two together and any sound played on the laptop broadcast to the receiver.
Linky Thingie (also added to first post)
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
I thought I was on the dark side having an iPod touch on a dock connected with silvers.Mr Onion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:01 pmBluetooth Audio Receiver that links to the laptop. Handshake the two together and any sound played on the laptop broadcast to the receiver.
Linky Thingie (also added to first post)

But you wireless.

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Support - Target TT4.
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
I am suitably ashamed

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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
I've always had good results with Logitech equipment...I am using their mouse and their wireless keyboard as we speak. 

Original 1978 Fluted Afromosia LP12, Ekos 2, Lyra Kleos SL and lots of other stuff from the 70's that still work fine.
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
Me too, and that was one of the deciding factors.
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ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20's
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
Now where is my pitchfork and burning torch? As I must go and find the Witch Finder General



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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"

The next name on my list is James Onion.

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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
*wonders if there is time to build a Priests Hole to hide in*
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
I wonder how it compares to an Apple Airport Express? (which does much the same thing)
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
It would be an interesting comparison, but as I don't own an Apple Airport Express* ...
*nor do I know anyone local that does
*nor do I know anyone local that does
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
10 days in of 24/7 power and occasional use/testing.
Well, if you had told me that it cost 10x what it did I would not be surprised. No its not as good as the CD 5si let alone the LP12 (and nor did I expect it to be) but its good, assuming that the source is good. Very lossy MP3's sound terrible, 320's sound not too bad, FLAC's are OK and WAV's the best (so exactly the same as it was from turn on) but the overall sound is not at all bad. Limited bandwidth at the lower end and a bit flat overall, but it doesn't offend the ears on non critical listening. Most errors are that of omission and I can live with that for the purpose I bought it for.
The shrill/harshness has gone (so it needs burning in) and will probably benefit from a better power supply, but its not worth going too mad on a £35 item. Maybe I'll knock up a 5v linear supply for it, I should have most bits knocking around the odds and sods box if I can be bothered to find them.
Oh, and dump the cheapo interconnect that comes with it. It deserves (and benefits) from something better. I had some Kimber PBJ lying around which I made into an interconnect and even without any burning in its an obvious improvement.
You need to be careful about positioning as there is no external aerial, so although its small enough to tuck out of sight maybe behind the Power Amp is not the best place (lots of dropouts due to the shielding effect of the Power Amps bulk)
£35? Absolute bargain.
Well, if you had told me that it cost 10x what it did I would not be surprised. No its not as good as the CD 5si let alone the LP12 (and nor did I expect it to be) but its good, assuming that the source is good. Very lossy MP3's sound terrible, 320's sound not too bad, FLAC's are OK and WAV's the best (so exactly the same as it was from turn on) but the overall sound is not at all bad. Limited bandwidth at the lower end and a bit flat overall, but it doesn't offend the ears on non critical listening. Most errors are that of omission and I can live with that for the purpose I bought it for.
The shrill/harshness has gone (so it needs burning in) and will probably benefit from a better power supply, but its not worth going too mad on a £35 item. Maybe I'll knock up a 5v linear supply for it, I should have most bits knocking around the odds and sods box if I can be bothered to find them.
Oh, and dump the cheapo interconnect that comes with it. It deserves (and benefits) from something better. I had some Kimber PBJ lying around which I made into an interconnect and even without any burning in its an obvious improvement.
You need to be careful about positioning as there is no external aerial, so although its small enough to tuck out of sight maybe behind the Power Amp is not the best place (lots of dropouts due to the shielding effect of the Power Amps bulk)
£35? Absolute bargain.
James
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NAIM CD 5si with Marigo Lab Aida CD Mat
ThePre, ZAP 250, Kudos Super 20's
Fluted Afro LP12, Khan, KEEL, Karousel, Urika, Radikal-2 A (with Allium Skin Mods), EKOS SE/1, sKale, DVXX-2mkII
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Re: Tasting the "Dark Side"
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What has happened to you 'Luke' .........
'Tis but the end of the thin wedge embarked upon you have'

What has happened to you 'Luke' .........

'Tis but the end of the thin wedge embarked upon you have'

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Don't worry, I still play LPs (and CD's) when I really want to listen. I can't be arsed with all this music server malarkey anyway.
Plus I'll miss out on all the fun of trying to find where I misfiled the LP I want to play

James
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Aye, for me a music server is the great lad who runs the local vinyl and cd shop ............

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CD Players - Roksan Caspian M2 CD Player, dCS Puccini CD Player + Scarlatti Master Clock
Amps - KK/1(D), Klimax Twin (D)
Speakers - Kudos S20 A's in Santos Rosewood
Cables - Linn Silver RCA & K200 speaker cable
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CD Players - Roksan Caspian M2 CD Player, dCS Puccini CD Player + Scarlatti Master Clock
Amps - KK/1(D), Klimax Twin (D)
Speakers - Kudos S20 A's in Santos Rosewood
Cables - Linn Silver RCA & K200 speaker cable
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