Linn 360s have arrived

[timster]

Congratulations to akamatsu, vincent, and Baba Yaga! What an exciting time. Popcorn is popping for my vicarious pleasure.

Akamatsu I don’t understand your friend’s statement? What did he mean?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he meant the 360s are so good there's no need to see a band live. They turn recorded music into a live gig in your home.

[akamatsu]

Congratulations to akamatsu, vincent, and Baba Yaga! What an exciting time. Popcorn is popping for my vicarious pleasure.

Akamatsu I don’t understand your friend’s statement? What did he mean?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he meant the 360s are so good there's no need to see a band live. They turn recorded music into a live gig in your home.

Yes. Thanks Timster.

[akamatsu]

Congratulations on this acquisition and knowing it can only get even better from here as you continue to hone the system.

It's hard to imagine better. But we've all been there before. And thank you.

[hashluck]

Congratulations on this acquisition and knowing it can only get even better from here as you continue to hone the system.

It's hard to imagine better. But we've all been there before. And thank you.

I really meant in terms of what you already have, playing with speaker position and SO etc. But, yes, we have all been there before

[akamatsu]

Congratulations on this acquisition and knowing it can only get even better from here as you continue to hone the system.

It's hard to imagine better. But we've all been there before. And thank you.

I really meant in terms of what you already have, playing with speaker position and SO etc. But, yes, we have all been there before

Listening last night, I'm still reluctant to touch anything in the way of speaker position. I'm thinking the speakers are a little too close to the front wall at 22 cm. Perhaps a couple centimeters out might help. I'll refine SO with wall, ceiling, and floor features next. It's sometimes tempting to hurry things. But a slow methodical approach is best I think based on past experience.

[Tendaberry]

I'm thinking the speakers are a little too close to the front wall at 22 cm.

22 cm isn't really much, I would definitely experiment further out. Maybe you won't need SO...

[akamatsu]

I just got a response by Gilad to my email.
My 360s were build today and will be shipped on Thursday (!) and therefore should be at my dealer first week of August. Wow…
BY

PS. Hope you don‘t mind Michael, that I post here rather than to open a new thread. This way our experiences will be documented and discussed in one place.

That is awesome news! I guess that custom finish on mine really did delay things, a lot!

Yes, by all means post here.

Also, turn up the volume. You will truly be amazed!

[akamatsu]

I'm thinking the speakers are a little too close to the front wall at 22 cm.

22 cm isn't really much, I would definitely experiment further out. Maybe you won't need SO...

Linn recommend a minimum of 23 cm for some of their speakers. But no recommendation for the 360s. Keeping the front plane of the 360s the same as was for the Akubariks has them land at 22 cm. I'll move them out a cm or two and see what happens. In the past, I've had better results with "speakers in ideal" in SO.

[Tendaberry]

Keeping the front plane of the 360s the same as was for the Akubariks has them land at 22 cm. I'll move them out a cm or two and see what happens. In the past, I've had better results with "speakers in ideal" in SO.

I would move them out in steps of 5 cm, but only as long as it gets better. As soon as it gets worse, move back to the previous position and then try moving out in smaller steps, like 2 cm. Continue this until you have narrowed it down to 1-2 mm.
Then the same for the distance between them and finally toe-in.

[akamatsu]

Keeping the front plane of the 360s the same as was for the Akubariks has them land at 22 cm. I'll move them out a cm or two and see what happens. In the past, I've had better results with "speakers in ideal" in SO.

I would move them out in steps of 5 cm, but only as long as it gets better. As soon as it gets worse, move back to the previous position and then try moving out in smaller steps, like 2 cm. Continue this until you have narrowed it down to 1-2 mm.
Then the same for the distance between them and finally toe-in.

Thanks for this. Will give it a go. I'm not applying any toe-in, as I didn't with the Akubariks. I don't want the treble to be any brighter, and the dispersion of the tweeter is quite as advertised. But I may also give it a try as it might affect the imaging?

[akamatsu]

My dealer told me, that the 360s don‘t need toe-in, different from the 350s.

I initially had the Akubariks toed-in. I then removed it in order to tame the treble, which was a bit too harsh.

[Moomintroll]

The dispersion characteristics of the 360s should be such that they don’t require toe-in.

Just MHO.

[akamatsu]

My dealer told me, that the 360s don‘t need toe-in, different from the 350s.

I initially had the Akubariks toed-in. I then removed it in order to tame the treble, which was a bit too harsh.

I assume you haven‘t noticed a mysterious ‚clicking‘ when the speakers are warming up or cooling down?
My 350s were exchanged twice and still one has a slight version of this ‚clicking‘ problem. And even though I got used to it over the years I‘m looking forward to a ‚click-free‘ zone

No clicks at all over here.

[entdgc]

Linn recommend a minimum of 23 cm for some of their speakers. But no recommendation for the 360s. Keeping the front plane of the 360s the same as was for the Akubariks has them land at 22 cm. I'll move them out a cm or two and see what happens. In the past, I've had better results with "speakers in ideal" in SO.

Where are you measuring the 22cm from/to? Normally speaker measurements are from wall to front face. I haven't checked the specs but I would have thought the speakers themselves are more than 22cm deep?

[akamatsu]

Linn recommend a minimum of 23 cm for some of their speakers. But no recommendation for the 360s. Keeping the front plane of the 360s the same as was for the Akubariks has them land at 22 cm. I'll move them out a cm or two and see what happens. In the past, I've had better results with "speakers in ideal" in SO.

Where are you measuring the 22cm from/to? Normally speaker measurements are from wall to front face. I haven't checked the specs but I would have thought the speakers themselves are more than 22cm deep?

Measured from the back corner. This is the point from which to measure distances with the 360s. Height is measured from the bottom of the 20kg base. The speakers are definitely deeper than 22cm, but they are only 2 cm deeper than the Akubariks, not counting the base.

[Tendaberry]

I'm not applying any toe-in, as I didn't with the Akubariks. I don't want the treble to be any brighter, and the dispersion of the tweeter is quite as advertised. But I may also give it a try as it might affect the imaging?

I probably wouldn't apply toe-in, as many have said. I had 2 mm toe-in for my Akubariks for years, until I tried no toe-in again and the sound just "clicked".

[wildwildWes]

What's your current streaming to vinyl percentage with the 360s? Did streaming time go up or down versus the Akubariks?

[akamatsu]

What's your current streaming to vinyl percentage with the 360s? Did streaming time go up or down versus the Akubariks?

I'm DSing more now compared to with the Akubariks. I'm still spinning LPs in the evenings. I'm just DSing more during the day. Both formats are so enjoyable.

[akamatsu]

Hi Michael,

how is it going with the 360s? You have been a bit quiet recently, stunned, speechless or disappointed?
Regards BY
PS. Mine will be setup on Thursday

I'm here. I had come down with a bad case of Olympic fever. Lasted about two weeks.

I'm still stunned and rather speechless about what I'm hearing at home. Every album I play is a new experience. Both streaming and LPs are fantastic.

I'm looking forward to your impressions, coming from 350s. I have to say that as good as the Akubariks are, the 360s are a huge step up.

It's hard for me to collect my thoughts and write a cohesive review. Perhaps I'll just post random observations and experiences with the system.

[akamatsu]

Woohoo!

Looking awesome!

Perhaps we can share notes on speaker locations. I haven't moved mine since initial positioning since it sounds so amazingly good. But I intend to move them out from the front wall. I see yours are pretty far out.

Congratulations! Our systems are practically identical. You have timetables, and I have AudioTech and NOKTable.

[Andyt916]

That's one nice set-up you have there. And, great pictorial story - love it.

If it were me I'd have the LP12 front and centre but that's minor nit-picking from me

[akamatsu]

That's one nice set-up you have there. And, great pictorial story - love it.

If it were me I'd have the LP12 front and centre but that's minor nit-picking from me

What I find interesting is that Baba Yaga and I both have our components on their own stands in the same positions. This happened by coincidence. In my case, I want the LP12 to be furthest from the speakers. The Radikal and DSM fell into place after that.

[Andyt916]

My son’s dog likes it too

Doggy approval is the best confirmation

[timster]

They look stunning @Baba Yaga. Lovely finish.

Just out of interest, is there a minimum room size for such speakers? I imagine even if my room could allow for better positioning, 4m x 4.5m is probably too small!

[Gussy]

Great photos Baba, they look magnificent - do keep us posted how the sound develops!